Gameday Thread, Arrowhead Edition: TCU at Kansas (City)

[FrogCop19]

I noticed that as well.. had some words for SD

Anybody got video on that??

 

[ShreveFrog]

We all are tired of Sonny Dykes

 

[bmoney214]

Anybody got video on that??

Handshake is at the 3:24:00. Looks like Leipold was just pissed off but he patted Sonny on the shoulder as he walked away.

Don't think it had anything to do with Sonny because he (Leipold), was pissed at the officiating in his post game presser. “They can fine me today. I don’t really care.”

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Only took Sonny 5 games to see what most of us saw after 2-3 games.

Gonna harp on this one a little. People used to accuse CGP of favoring certain players even if they weren't performing well. I think that was more loyalty to older players, but Dykes is as bad or worse and I think it's more poor evaluation. Cook, Morris, etc. Idiotic to keep playing some of them.

 

[Big Frog II]

Gonna harp on this one a little. People used to accuse CGP of favoring certain players even if they weren't performing well. I think that was more loyalty to older players, but Dykes is as bad or worse and I think it's more poor evaluation. Cook, Morris, etc. Idiotic to keep playing some of them.

Yes, some of his choices are puzzling.

 

[Bruce Berry]

Handshake is at the 3:24:00. Looks like Leipold was just pissed off but he patted Sonny on the shoulder as he walked away.

Don't think it had anything to do with Sonny because he (Leipold), was pissed at the officiating in his post game presser. “They can fine me today. I don’t really care.”

The fan holding his head after the McAlister TD was awesome. Star of the game.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

That win was uglier than my prom date's date.

HT: @TheFrogCastTCU

That win was beautiful…

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

…and purple pants…

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

Another example of you not really paying attention. I guess you just don't know ball. You can stop bringing up whatever you think he did for the program. Just focus on this season.

Kansas is in LAST place of the Big 12.
1-4 on the season. Only win was against Lindenwood.

He went 15-34 today (44%)

He's 56% on the season and has only thrown 4 TDs compared to 7 Ints.

Look at these stats:

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And his rushing stats aren't that good either. Only 1 game above 50 yards. (65 yards vs UNLV)

5th year senior with those stats, he is very clearly holding them back. Imagine if he was our QB. Everyone here would be screaming for a benching.

You're just flat wrong on this subject. Stop listening to the ESPN talking heads.

Yep, Daniels is supposed to be a hotshot per the ESPN talkers, but actually he is terrible.
If he feels pressure he becomes wildly inaccurate. If he is sacked hard, he starts throwing it in the stands. He is exactly the sort of QB I would like for the Frogs to face each week…
GO FROGS!
BEAT HOUSTON!
Spit Blood~~<~<and frack baylor!!

 

[bmoney214]

scheissing Bech is a beast. Surrounded by 6-7 red jerseys and never went down.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

That win was beautiful…

 

[Double D]

It's becoming more clear each week why that certain 5 Star receiver transferred to SMU. He wasn't going to get on the field at TCU.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

It's becoming more clear each week why that certain 5 Star receiver transferred to SMU. He wasn't going to get on the field at TCU.

Jack Bech 35 REC 647 YDS 18.5 AVG 6 TD
Unnamed Player 8 REC 112 YDS 14.0 AVG 3 TD

 

[Wexahu]

Actually per usual - you are just really wrong

I don’t know anyone that doesn’t like Sonny personally - he’s a great guy and a really good dad/family man

But a really average coach and we deserve better

We are on page 50 of a thread with little excitement about a W but at least happy we got it - over Kansas

How far we have fallen

But like someone else said - you need attention so you try to make fake points to be a contrarian

We deserve better? Who do we deserve? Did we deserve Billy Napier? Deion? The old Boise coach who is now on TV?

Dykes was the most successful coach SMU had in 30 years, he's a Texan who we could reasonably assume might actually stick around if he had some success, and it's not like he wasn't on any other program's radar. I think he's probably had about exactly the kind of resume that TCU might expect when chasing a coach, save for some completely unproven coordinator. We've fallen a bit, mainly because we are in the Big 12 and the new rules in college football will make it almost impossible for us not to fall. It's surely not just because of SD, and he did just coach us to arguably our best season season in 80+ years. Prior to his arrival, we were below .500 from 2018-2021, I think some of the blame for the "fall" lies with that too, don't you?

Please answer this, I need some attention.

 

[Limey Frog]

We deserve better? Who do we deserve? Did we deserve Billy Napier? Deion? The old Boise coach who is now on TV?

Dykes was the most successful coach SMU had in 30 years, he's a Texan who we could reasonably assume might actually stick around if he had some success, and it's not like he wasn't on any other program's radar. I think he's probably had about exactly the kind of resume that TCU might expect when chasing a coach, save for some completely unproven coordinator. We've fallen a bit, mainly because we are in the Big 12 and the new rules in college football will make it almost impossible for us not to fall. It's surely not just because of SD, and he did just coach us to arguably our best season season in 80+ years. Prior to his arrival, we were below .500 from 2018-2021, I think some of the blame for the "fall" lies with that too, don't you?

Please answer this, I need some attention.

Dykes seemed like a solid B-grade hire at the time, which is pretty much what everyone said. No one was ecstatic, but we could all see the case for cautious optimism. The odds of the next guy after a legend being as good are always long. 2022 made it seem like we had beaten the odds. That may still prove to be the case. Right now TCU football seems to have a team DNA of undisciplined play and lack of physicality. I don't think anyone is seriously claiming that a win over 1-4 Kansas does much to change that suspicion, but hopefully it's the start of a turnaround. If we can make it to 8-4 with a couple of tough wins over physical, disciplined teams like Utah, Oklahoma State, Tech, Arizona, and Cincinnati, maybe we can head into the off-season feeling that we might have a decent head coach after all.

I've lost faith at this point, but I can still see that there wasn't an obviously better hire in 2021 (any more than we could have not moved on from GP--both decisions are still the right ones even if neither works out as we had hoped).

As for what we deserve, I don't know that we deserve anything. But we are paying what a man makes for being a really good head coach. If TCU would like to pay half of what Dykes makes to me in exchange for getting a team that gives up 100 yards in penalties per game and is run over like a cardboard cutout every time it faces a disciplined and physically tough opponent, I am available. I could go 0-12 in year one and retire early.

 

[Wexahu]

Dykes seemed like a solid B-grade hire at the time, which is pretty much what everyone said. No one was ecstatic, but we could all see the case for cautious optimism. The odds of the next guy after a legend being as good are always long. 2022 made it seem like we had beaten the odds. That may still prove to be the case. Right now TCU football seems to have a team DNA of undisciplined play and lack of physicality. I don't think anyone is seriously claiming that a win over 1-4 Kansas does much to change that suspicion, but hopefully it's the start of a turnaround. If we can make it to 8-4 with a couple of tough wins over physical, disciplined teams like Utah, Oklahoma State, Tech, Arizona, and Cincinnati, maybe we can head into the off-season feeling that we might have a decent head coach after all.

I've lost faith at this point, but I can still see that there wasn't an obviously better hire in 2021 (any more than we could have not moved on from GP--both decisions are still the right ones even if neither works out as we had hoped).

As for what we deserve, I don't know that we deserve anything. But we are paying what a man makes for being a really good head coach. If TCU would like to pay half of what Dykes makes to me in exchange for getting a team that gives up 100 yards in penalties per game and is run over like a cardboard cutout every time it faces a disciplined and physically tough opponent, I am available. I could go 0-12 in year one and retire early.

Name me 10 really good college football coaches. Just curious who those might be.

I remember before the season started Lance Liepold was thought of as a really good coach. How’s he doing?

 

[Limey Frog]

Name me 10 really good college football coaches. Just curious who those might be.

I remember before the season started Lance Liepold was thought of as a really good coach. How’s he doing?

I think Liepold is still pretty good. You don't turn Kansas football around the way he has done without being good. Plus he has a track record of success at other places. Dykes has a track record of being modestly better than his predecessors. That may or may not translate to long-term success at TCU on TCU football's expected scale.

As far as good coaches go, for a Big 12 program the models are Kyle Whittingham, Chris Kleiman, Mike Gundy, and Matt Campbell. Guys whose teams are disciplined and who most often get the most possible out of their players. I'm not saying we could have hired any of those guys--certainly not the two older ones, and I doubt Campbell or Kleiman either for what would have been lateral moves. ADJD's job is to scout the up-and-coming coaches and to know who the next one of those guys is. Maybe he'd have done better hiring Lashlee at half what he's paying Dykes.

 

[Wexahu]

I think Liepold is still pretty good. You don't turn Kansas football around the way he has done without being good. Plus he has a track record of success at other places. Dykes has a track record of being modestly better than his predecessors. That may or may not translate to long-term success at TCU on TCU football's expected scale.

As far as good coaches go, for a Big 12 program the models are Kyle Whittingham, Chris Kleiman, Mike Gundy, and Matt Campbell. Guys whose teams are disciplined and who most often get the most possible out of their players. I'm not saying we could have hired any of those guys--certainly not the two older ones, and I doubt Campbell or Kleiman either for what would have been lateral moves. ADJD's job is to scout the up-and-coming coaches and to know who the next one of those guys is. Maybe he'd have done better hiring Lashlee at half what he's paying Dykes.

Records of coaches since TCU hired Dykes....

Klieman - 23-9
Whittingham - 22-11
Dykes - 21-11
Gundy - 20-12
Campbell - 15-14

I mean, if those are the models, he's doing OK I would think. These model coaches must throw out quite a few crap games as well for having disciplined teams and getting the most out of their players.

 

[Limey Frog]

Records of coaches since TCU hired Dykes....

Klieman - 23-9
Whittingham - 22-11
Dykes - 21-11
Gundy - 20-12
Campbell - 15-14

I mean, if those are the models, he's doing OK I would think. These model coaches must throw out quite a few crap games as well for having disciplined teams and getting the most out of their players.

OK. I'm not going to argue with you on this. I know you like to be a contrarian. If you want to believe that the way TCU football has played since September 2023 is either the best TCU could do with the players we had then/have now, or that it is good enough in absolute terms, that's up to you. It's not doing the job for me.

 

[Wexahu]

OK. I'm not going to argue with you on this. I know you like to be a contrarian. If you want to believe that the way TCU football has played since September 2023 is either the best TCU could do with the players we had then/have now, or that it is good enough in absolute terms, that's up to you. It's not doing the job for me.

I know it hasn't been a good stretch. But I think some people want to have this incredibly short leash on Dykes and I think it's for reasons that go beyond the job he's doing as a coach. Maybe it's because he doesn't have enough charisma for them, just doesn't look enough like a football coach, doesn't dog cuss players enough, he's too boring, I don't really know. But he wins about just as much as these other guys. It's almost like nobody wants to support him because, ???.

Matt Campbell was 8-14 for a recent stretch there and could barely finish above .500 with Brock Purdy and Breece Hall in his backfield but I guess since he doesn't stand there with arms crossed and wear sunglasses he's the guy everyone should want, because he's a real football coach.