Gameday Thread, Appalachia Edition: TCU at West Virginia

[An-Cap Frog]

well I am guessing he assumed you were smart enough to understand he was referring to on the field during the game in how they executed....guess he was wrong in his assumption

If you actually knew anything about the program before GP, under GP and since then under SD - you would know that it takes a large village to keep our players on the "straight and narrow" or at least within the ditches off the field a lot of the time - which is true of every program in college football today and getting worse.

Because now they all have money - real money to them - and lots of attitude to go with it.

We are lucky we didn't have more problems - especially when you look at what other programs dealt with

Wow, didn’t realize asking for clarification was a crime. Guess I’ll try to be less “dumb” next time I ask a question about the program I’ve followed since the Wacker days.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Here are penalties since 2010...

	#	YDS
2025​	54​	520​
2024​	73​	691​
2023​	74​	643​
2022​	72​	744​
2021​	85​	737​
2020​	77​	633​
2019​	78​	736​
2018​	56​	508​
2017​	89​	750​
2016​	88​	797​
2015​	94​	922​
2014​	82​	767​
2013​	79​	649​
2012​	89​	819​
2011​	72​	687​
2010​	68​	542​

 

[SW toad]

I was a Wacker Backer...people keep throwing the word "undisciplined" around, but it means different things to different people. I'm just looking for clarification.

Well...... # 1 How about the OL coach Ricker get into the changing Ols ears and repeat " Watch the center's snap before you move" at 177 decibels.

# 2 So called OL coach Ricker to young and old ever changing OL lineup. " keep your palms to your chest when blocking UNLESS there is a line-of-sight blockage to your isolated view" Rinse and then repeat this one to the kids about 300 times during spring, fall, and break camp.

# 3 Manage the last 3 minutes of the 1st half. The 1st 2 minutes of the 2nd half. Micromanage the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter.

I was a staunch Wacker Backer too. I only attended 15 games during his tenure. Good times with Kenneth Davis ripping regular 50 yarders. Disciplined does not mean different things to sane people.

 

[FrogBall09]

Wow, didn’t realize asking for clarification was a crime. Guess I’ll try to be less “dumb” next time I ask a question about the program I’ve followed since the Wacker days.

you were not trying to clarify - you were being a jerk trying to redirect his comment because it didn't fit your narrative so you used an off the field incident to try to prove him wrong.... and if you were really around when Jim was our coach, then you would know Jim had tunnel vision and only noticed what happened on the field - he was oblivious to the shenanigans of our players off the field and especially off campus.

I mean the man was "shocked" we were paying players....when all of Ft Worth knew it and the evidence drove down Stadium Drive to practice everyday...

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Well...... # 1 How about the OL coach Ricker get into the changing Ols ears and repeat " Watch the center's snap before you move" at 177 decibels.

# 2 So called OL coach Ricker to young and old ever changing OL lineup. " keep your palms to your chest when blocking UNLESS there is a line-of-sight blockage to your isolated view" Rinse and then repeat this one to the kids about 300 times during spring, fall, and break camp.

# 3 Manage the last 3 minutes of the 1st half. The 1st 2 minutes of the 2nd half. Micromanage the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter.

I was a staunch Wacker Backer too. I only attended 15 games during his tenure. Good times with Kenneth Davis ripping regular 50 yarders. Disciplined does not mean different things to sane people.

I still don't know what you mean...certainly it appears that we have had a lot of false starts on offense, especially at home, but our penalties certainly are not an outlier this year, maybe for a SD team.

 

[FrogBall09]

Here are penalties since 2010...

	#	YDS
2025​	54​	520​
2024​	73​	691​
2023​	74​	643​
2022​	72​	744​
2021​	85​	737​
2020​	77​	633​
2019​	78​	736​
2018​	56​	508​
2017​	89​	750​
2016​	88​	797​
2015​	94​	922​
2014​	82​	767​
2013​	79​	649​
2012​	89​	819​
2011​	72​	687​
2010​	68​	542​

and? are you trying to say that penalties is the metric for discipline? Do you know anything about football? does not seem so from most of your posts.

Look - only a person with a true lack of knowledge of football would argue that Dykes teams are as disciplined as GP's. GP's teams were a lot more boring for sure than our current offense but they also were not allowed to think because our approach was scripted down to how many steps off the line each player was going to be every play....and we executed his scheme really well most of the time

 

[Wexahu]

Here are penalties since 2010...

	#	YDS
2025​	54​	520​
2024​	73​	691​
2023​	74​	643​
2022​	72​	744​
2021​	85​	737​
2020​	77​	633​
2019​	78​	736​
2018​	56​	508​
2017​	89​	750​
2016​	88​	797​
2015​	94​	922​
2014​	82​	767​
2013​	79​	649​
2012​	89​	819​
2011​	72​	687​
2010​	68​	542​

Obviously, we used to be so much more disciplined.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Obviously, we used to be so much more disciplined.

Aren't we all set to hire that guy that gave up 555 yards and 31 points to Idaho State?

 

[SW toad]

I still don't know what you mean...certainly it appears that we have had a lot of false starts on offense, especially at home, but our penalties certainly are not an outlier this year, maybe for a SD team.

Here is the long and short short of it. The false starts are on a wild upward trend over the last several years. This year is minimally better, but the 3 year trend is way worse.

The holding penalties, god help us. Palms to the chest for Ol. Hand fighting occurs during the 1st 15-20 seconds of the 30 second play.

The end of the 1st half..... Please don't have your A team out there. The goal is to maximize field position. Perhaps derive a field goal out of the situation.

The major point is that at Baylor and ASU, TCU has had malfunction breakdowns at the end of both games. TCU was beyond lucky to win against Baylor and should have won against ASU.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Here is the long and short short of it. The false starts are on a wild upward trend over the last several years. This year is minimally better, but the 3 year trend is way worse.

The holding penalties, god help us. Palms to the chest for Ol. Hand fighting occurs during the 1st 15-20 seconds of the 30 second play.

The end of the 1st half..... Please don't have your A team out there. The goal is to maximize field position. Perhaps derive a field goal out of the situation.

The major point is that at Baylor and ASU, TCU has had malfunction breakdowns at the end of both games. TCU was beyond lucky to win against Baylor and should have won against ASU.

I don't have the stats, but I do feel like penalties under Patterson tended to be penalties of aggression or defensive PI penalties because he liked playing cover 4 and penalties this year, have been procedural penalties including alignment issues. But those maybe just confirmation of my bad memory, because penalties are not necessarily up from the Patterson era.

As far as ending first halves...
UNC we kicked a FG
ACU they missed a FG
SMU we had the ball on our 32 with 29 seconds left and got to the 50, but punted on 4th down so that SMU couldn't kick attempt a FG if we didn't convert.
ASU we forced a fumble and then had the ball at our 25 yard line with 45 seconds left.
Colorado we forced an INT in the redzone.
KSU we had a holding on 4th down that forced us to punt.
Baylor we scored a TD.
WVU we kicked a FG.

 

[froginmn]

I was really hoping one of you "9-3 was the standard under GP also" people would suddenly have blood flow to your brain and not embarrass my degree by continuing to be so dim witted - but I will point out the obvious fact of why it was not and never should be the standard....

You are the unquestioned expert in that pursuit.

 

[ShreveFrog]

I mean the man (Wacker) was "shocked" we were paying players....when all of Ft Worth knew it and the evidence drove down Stadium Drive to practice everyday...

He knew. Or had a strong hunch. He was trying to root it out. Wish he would’ve just shut up and handled it internally. 1985 could’ve been an amazing season. Sure effed up the course of the program for dang sure.

 

[TopFrog]

I mean the man was "shocked" we were paying players....when all of Ft Worth knew it and the evidence drove down Stadium Drive to practice everyday...

We stole Egypt Allen from OU and Davis from Nebraska. The whole college football world knew. Barry Switzer supposedly said what the hell is going at TCU. He knew what Allen had been offered and he had been outbid. Those programs all know who is doing what and Wacker came in knowing what was going on. He was naive thinking he could stop it cold turkey.

 

[TopFrog]

 

[FroggleRock]

Back to back 16 tackle efforts. If our total defense was better, he’d be top 5 in the Butkus award talks.

 

[Mean Purple]

Can you define how you are using discipline? I seem to remember a QB getting arrested...

I mean on field focus.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

I mean on field focus.

defensive awareness? penalties? game situation? play calling? execution?

 

[Dogfrog]

Yep. Deserved. And our current coach has won at the same clip here as Patterson.

In case you're wondering, Patterson won at a 69.6% clip over his entire career at TCU, and 59.5% in the Big 12 (52.3% in conference games). Dykes is currently at 68.8% (and 63.6% in conference games).

Maybe he sucks as a coach, but he apparently has a weird knack of winning just as many games as coaches who are considered really good.

You like to stir things up but must admit your Dykes vs Patterson obsession is borderline absurd on the 20 year vs 3 year tenure alone. It comes off as somebody super-pissed that Patterson pulled TCU out of the abyss.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

He knew. Or had a strong hunch. He was trying to root it out. Wish he would’ve just shut up and handled it internally. 1985 could’ve been an amazing season. Sure effed up the course of the program for dang sure.

Your post is painful to this day. As a lifelong fan and 23 year old alum, I had only experienced two 6 win seasons since I was 6 years old.
Suddenly, the Temple Tornado (Kenneth Davis) and his sidekick Tony Jeffery appeared, and boom we scored 8 wins. The following season the entire town just knew those two running backs were a 3,000+ yard tandem that would deliver us to the promised land.
Then came the horrific gut punch. Wacker self-reported & turned us in. Everyone was livid with Jim Wacker and mad at the entire world. It just wasn’t fair to have the rug pulled out from under us after all those years of losing.
It wasn’t for a year or two later that the extent of the payments and corruption was known. By then it was painfully obvious TCU fans were doomed to at least another decade of losing. It was beyond sickening to dream of what might have been.
Then Dennis Franchione finally saved us with 3 winning seasons in a row and 2 bowl wins, including a convincing 2 score 1998 Sun Bowl win over USC that put TCU back on the map.
I know Franchione was a selfish opportunist, but he highly recommended Gary Patterson on his way out the door, and the rest of the story became legendary.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Your post is painful to this day. As a lifelong fan and 23 year old alum, I had only experienced two 6 win seasons since I was 6 years old.
Suddenly, the Temple Tornado (Kenneth Davis) and his sidekick Tony Jeffery appeared, and boom 8 wins. The following season the entire town just knew those two running backs were a 3,000+ yard tandem that would deliver us to the promised land.
Then came the horrific gut punch. Wacker self-reported & turned us in. Everyone was livid with Jim Wacker and really the entire world. It just wasn’t fair to have the rug pulled out from under us after all those years of losing.
It wasn’t for a year or two later that the extent of the payments and corruption was known. By then it was painfully obvious TCU fans were doomed to at least another decade of losing. It was beyond sickening to dream of what might have been.
Then Dennis Franchione finally saved us with 3 winning seasons in a row and 2 bowl wins, including a convincing 2 score 1998 Sun Bowl win over USC that put TCU back on the map.
I know Franchione was a selfish opportunist, but he highly recommended Gary Patterson on his way out the door, and the rest of the story became legendary.

The gullibility of Wacker still burns. As a man of integrity, he expected people in positions of responsibility (Like David Berst) to also have that same level of personal integrity. This was monstrously foolish of him, and as subsequent events unfolded, he realized what a tragic mistake he had made.

Make no mistake: I have the utmost respect and fondness for Jim Wacker, yet even he regretted his actions.