You’ve talked me into this on 247 and I’m definitely on boardA more reasonable comparison is that he just saw Brock Purdy take over half way through the season for a struggling Iowa State team and go 6-1.
I've become a broken record about this on 247, but I hope like hell our coaches have the guts to start Max Duggan. With Justin still not healthy and Baldwin still recovering from surgery, Max clearly has the highest upside potential. Everything coming out of TCU is that Max has been exceptional and continues to do nothing but impress. Son of a head coach. Weight room junkie. Film room junkie. Student of the game. Tremendous arm. 4.5 speed. Natural leader. Red hair. The kid has it all.
I don't care what people say about Alex Delton. He's a tremendous athlete, but he is NOT a Big 12 Championship caliber QB. Despite our atrocious quarterback play last year, there were two schools in the Big 12 that had a lower QB rating than us: KU and KState. Their sloppy seconds won't be winning us a championship.
And most importantly our season sets up PERFECTLY for breaking in a freshman QB. Our first real challenge at ISU isn't until week 6 due to an early bye week.
This is our year to compete for a championship. We have almost all the pieces, which includes a seasoned offensive line. We lose a ton of elite play makers after this season (Darius, Reagor, Niang, Blacklock, Gaines, Gladney to name a few), so we can't screw around and squander away this opportunity with a transfer QB with limited upside.
If Max is anywhere close to even with Delton or Collins coming out of fall camp, you start the freshman. He has the highest upside, more than a month of winnable games to get up to speed, and gives us the best chance to win a Big 12 Championship and beyond. All aboard the Max Train. Choooo Choooo! Letssssss go!
You’ve talked me into this on 247 and I’m definitely on board
Saw this post on Reddit regarding Duggan:
“I played against this guy in high school and can tell you froggy bros is the real deal. It was pretty much a 1v11 when we played against him and he would still win.“
No, I’m not going to “tap the breaks here”. He shined at the Elite 11, was the #5 dual threat in the nation, has really impressed the coaches and players since coming here in January with his work ethic and maturity.And the following comment was a respectable follow-up referencing the low-level competition he played in Iowa.
Tap the breaks a bit.
From what I saw, the best offensive player on the school that beat Duggan’s will be a walk-on at Iowa while one OL has a scholarship offer to Iowa
What impressed me reading about him last year and the elite 11 was how he was out performing pro style guys. He isn’t able to show off any of his running skills at the elite 11No, I’m not going to “tap the breaks here”. He shined at the Elite 11, was the #5 dual threat in the nation, has really impressed the coaches and players since coming here in January with his work ethic and maturity.
Until I hear otherwise, I am going to presume he has just as much a shot as Delton, Collins, or Rogers.
Kinda leaning this way too. Delton never played a whole season at Kansas State due to injuries so there's that. We need a no. 2 to step right in and lead. Based on our info. now with the injuries and so forth, believe both Delton and Duggan are playing about equal leading up to conference. Delton does not slide, he runs like a RB so if history repeats, Duggan will be ready from participation in the non conference games. Once Duggan starts, he's going to be hard to beat out.
No, I’m not going to “tap the breaks here”. He shined at the Elite 11, was the #5 dual threat in the nation, has really impressed the coaches and players since coming here in January with his work ethic and maturity.
Until I hear otherwise, I am going to presume he has just as much a shot as Delton, Collins, or Rogers - and could even surpass. We’ll see.
It was literally one of three different examples I used, including recent comments from coaches and players over the last month.Can’t reason with anyone who is so hyper-focused on Elite 11. We should put a ton of weight into spring games, too.
Sean White won Elite 11 in 2013 and Blake Barnett won it in 2014 over Rosen, Lock, and Kyler.
On a numbers basis, half the Elite 11 guys don’t pan out...it’s not a good indicator of anything.
Can’t reason with anyone who is so hyper-focused on Elite 11. We should put a ton of weight into spring games, too.
Sean White won Elite 11 in 2013 and Blake Barnett won it in 2014 over Rosen, Lock, and Kyler.
On a numbers basis, half the Elite 11 guys don’t pan out...it’s not a good indicator of anything.
Sean White played HS football in FL and Barnett in CA...HS competition is also not a good indicator of anything either.All we have are physical tools and past success. None of which can or should be a substitute for coaching and development. Cumbie needs to bring in smart physically gifted QBs and then develop them well.
reading all the comments about rankings and ratings i took a quick look at the top quarterback prospects on 247 (not picking on them, they just were the easiest to search through).
obviously in an an era where we have all the passing coaches and camps, summer passing leagues, and all the recruiting combines you would expect that there would be a fairly high hit rate on the top quarterback recruits right?
any guesses what percentage of the top 10 quarterback recruits from 2010-2018 made a significant impact on the field for the original team they signed with out of high school?
here is the list and i didn't include the school they signed with because if they made the impact you would expect from 5 and high 4-star quarterback prospects you would be able to recognize simply by their name right?
2010
philip sims
blake bell
devin gardner
jesse scroggins
rob bolden
tyler bray
jake heaps
connor woods
paul joness
barry brunetti
2011
jeff driskel
braxton miller
kiehl frazier
brett hundley
christian lemay
max wittek
teddy bridgewater
bubba starling
j.w. walsh
jacoby birssett
2012
jameis winston
gunner kiel
zach kline
cyler miles
anthony alford
tanner mangnum
matt davis
conner brewer
chad kelly
chad voyttik
2013
max browne
christian hackenberg
shane morris
cooper bateman
kevin olsen
troy williams
brice ramsey
cody thomas
asianti woulard
j.t. barrett
2014
kyle allen
deshaun watson
will grier
keller chryst
jerrod heard
brandon harris
david cornwell
drew barker
jacob park
brad kaaya
2015
josh rosen
blake barnett
kyler murray
jarrett stidham
brandon wimbush
deondre francois
brady white
jake browning
rick town
drew lock
2016
shea patterson
jacob eason
k.j. costello
malik henry
feleipe franks
brandon peters
jarret guarantano
dwayne haskins
brandon mcilwain
jack allison
2017
davis mills
hunter johnson
tua tagovailoa
jake fromm
tate martell
jack sears
kellen mond
sam ehlinger
dylan mccaffrey
myles brennan
2018
trevor lawrence
justin fields
j.t. daniels
dorian thompson-robinson
justin rogers
tanner mckee
matt corral
jarein williams
phil jurkovic
couple of things that stood out are that alabama, ou, and uga have been qb recruit grave yards for their recruits.
ou has done much, much better with their qb transfers than the highly regarded qb prospects they have signed.
we keep hearing how the star rating is the best predictor of an nfl future, but looking back at these classes that doesn't seem to hold to form as compared to other positions such as defensive line.
Good info... QBs aren’t an exact science..it’s not who you get as much as who you develop
I’ve seen that dance....
A more reasonable comparison is that he just saw Brock Purdy take over half way through the season for a struggling Iowa State team and go 6-1.
I've become a broken record about this on 247, but I hope like hell our coaches have the guts to start Max Duggan. With Justin still not healthy and Baldwin still recovering from surgery, Max clearly has the highest upside potential. Everything coming out of TCU is that Max has been exceptional and continues to do nothing but impress. Son of a head coach. Weight room junkie. Film room junkie. Student of the game. Tremendous arm. 4.5 speed. Natural leader. Red hair. The kid has it all.
I don't care what people say about Alex Delton. He's a tremendous athlete, but he is NOT a Big 12 Championship caliber QB. Despite our atrocious quarterback play last year, there were two schools in the Big 12 that had a lower QB rating than us: KU and KState. Their sloppy seconds won't be winning us a championship.
And most importantly our season sets up PERFECTLY for breaking in a freshman QB. Our first real challenge at ISU isn't until week 6 due to an early bye week.
This is our year to compete for a championship. We have almost all the pieces, which includes a seasoned offensive line. We lose a ton of elite play makers after this season (Darius, Reagor, Niang, Blacklock, Gaines, Gladney to name a few), so we can't screw around and squander away this opportunity with a transfer QB with limited upside.
If Max is anywhere close to even with Delton or Collins coming out of fall camp, you start the freshman. He has the highest upside, more than a month of winnable games to get up to speed, and gives us the best chance to win a Big 12 Championship and beyond. All aboard the Max Train. Choooo Choooo! Letssssss go!