FWST: TCU football needs more from QB Josh Hoover if it wants to contend in Big 12 | Opinion

[TopFrog]

TCU football needs more from QB Josh Hoover if it wants to contend in Big 12 | Opinion​

Steven Johnson

MANHATTAN, Kan. – After having a hand in three turnovers in TCU’s 41-28 loss at Kansas State on Saturday, quarterback Josh Hoover gave an impromptu emotional speech to this teammates.

Hoover loudly praised TCU’s defense for giving the Horned Frogs a chance to win and also shouted out an offensive line that was missing a starter. The most important message was Hoover taking ownership of his mistakes that cost TCU against the Wildcats.

Paywall link: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article312469085.html

Full article link: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/tcu-football-needs-more-qb-144054021.html

 

[BrewingFrog]

Wow.

Um, news flash for you Stephen: Hoov isn't going to get any better if opposing teams continue to be able to beat the crap out of him every time he drops back to pass. A QB is only going to thrive if he isn't running for his life, and our O line has absolutely degenerated in the last four weeks.

Unless Hoov studies with a bunch of Tibetan monks and figures out how to levitate his way out of mortal peril, then we're pretty much screwed.

 

[ShreveFrog]

Does Hoov have many RPO calls or is the play calling all on Briles?

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Does Hoov have many RPO calls or is the play calling all on Briles?

Josh doesn’t have many intentional designed runs. Most runs occur while he’s trying to extend plays.
Hoover has 31 total carries, and 11 are sacks allowed (12th in B12)

He is under pressure quite a bit, and this team doesn‘t seem to play well on the road. Of Hoover’s 11 sacks, 7 were on the road @ ASU & KSU.
He has to play better, but he needs better blocking, especially on the road.

The problem is many teams are just discounting TCU’s rushing game (Only 40% of plays & 26% of the yards)….so Hoover has a target on his back.

 

[bronco]

For the backwards pass I put some blame on the receiver. He should have dived on that ball even if he thought it was a forward pass.

 

[Toad Jones]

Excuses, apparently, are handy with Dykes and crew. Seasoned coaches shouldn't use excuses!!

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

For the backwards pass I put some blame on the receiver. He should have dived on that ball even if he thought it was a forward pass.

He should have run a pattern that wasn’t lateral or backward…

 

[Wexahu]

Excuses, apparently, are handy with Dykes and crew. Seasoned coaches shouldn't use excuses!!

I read the free one, so I may have read the wrong article. Where is the coaching staff making excuses? I don't see one quote from the staff in this article. Well, in another article I did see a couple quotes. Neither seemed like excuses though. Oh well.

 

[Big Frog II]

For the backwards pass I put some blame on the receiver. He should have dived on that ball even if he thought it was a forward pass.

Yes, they did stand around like they had no idea.

 

[Big Frog II]

Maybe if we had $28 million to spend on our football payroll like a team to the west, we might have better lines.

 

[Wexahu]

Yes, they did stand around like they had no idea.

I think sometimes there's this thought that, "hey, if I don't act like that's a backwards pass and try and go get the ball, then the official won't call it that way". Unfortunately, that strategy doesn't work with replay.

I don't know, but defenses seem to always be way more aggressive in going after those than the offense, and the offensive players should know more than anyone whether it really was backwards or not. Especially the QB.

 

[Froggy Style]

For the backwards pass I put some blame on the receiver. He should have dived on that ball even if he thought it was a forward pass.

Perhaps passes to receivers don't need to be 7 yards behind the LOS.

 

[CardFrog]

I am a big Hoover fan and completely understand the weak OL causes issues however, I think he played poorly against K State and it looks like he is taking ownership. The INT as I recall, he wasn't under significant pressure he just either didn't see the K State defender or he just missed, on the lateral he made absolutely no movement toward the live ball on the ground either, in any event I admire his willingness to take ownership even if it isn't 100% on him.

 

[Wexahu]

I am a big Hoover fan and completely understand the weak OL causes issues however, I think he played poorly against K State and it looks like he is taking ownership. The INT as I recall, he wasn't under significant pressure he just either didn't see the K State defender or he just missed, on the lateral he made absolutely no movement toward the live ball on the ground either, in any event I admire his willingness to take ownership even if it isn't 100% on him.

I like it too, but he's taken ownership before. It's time to stop being careless with the ball. As many turnovers as he's had, there's always a play or two every game where he barely dodges more INTs.

 

[CardFrog]

I like it too, but he's taken ownership before. It's time to stop being careless with the ball. As many turnovers as he's had, there's always a play or two every game where he barely dodges more INTs.

Completely agree which gets to the question, is it play calling that puts us in these precarious situations or is it poor execution, or both? I honestly don't know but expect some of both. Either way we could easily be undefeated with better play calling and or execution. Both of our losses were winnable.

 

[Big Frog II]

Whose ever fault it is, the biggest problem I see with this team is the same as last year's, no consistent running game.

 

[CardFrog]

Whose ever fault it is, the biggest problem I see with this team is the same as last year's, no consistent running game.

I thought Barnes has looked good when healthy but you can't just have 1 reliable back. We also seem to abandon the run even if successful for passing plays which is a complete head scratcher but we have beat the crap out of the OC all over the place already for play selection.

 

[Putt4Purple]

At some point excuses get old. You either deliver or don’t. Duggan knew the answer to his doubts when not sure or when confronted with a defense lineman in his face, he ran the F ing ball! Im not insinuating he run as much as Duggan but keep the defense honest!! Hoover seems to be full of himself when he has a good game and gets praise. I have not seen the discomfort given to him or given to himself. The receivers know!! If Hoover wants to blossom he needs to audible plays to spite Briles. Be a true leader!
Go Frogs!

 

[Mean Purple]

Josh doesn’t have many intentional designed runs. Most runs occur while he’s trying to extend plays.
Hoover has 31 total carries, and 11 are sacks allowed (12th in B12)

He is under pressure quite a bit, and this team doesn‘t seem to play well on the road. Of Hoover’s 11 sacks, 7 were on the road @ ASU & KSU.
He has to play better, but he needs better blocking, especially on the road.

The problem is many teams are just discounting TCU’s rushing game (Only 40% of plays & 26% of the yards)….so Hoover has a target on his back.

when he has had them, they've worked pretty well.

and yeah, for the reasons you said, hoov is in the bullseye.

 

[Mean Purple]

I thought Barnes has looked good when healthy but you can't just have 1 reliable back. We also seem to abandon the run even if successful for passing plays which is a complete head scratcher but we have beat the crap out of the OC all over the place already for play selection.

we have multiple backs. and when Barnes is healthy, two others seem to get more as well. but a run game is going to include short yards. you just can't abandon it for hopes of throwing long dimes. even the short yardage helps keep the defense honest.

our offense is predictable in the third.