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TCU baseball earns another big win in June


BY STEFAN STEVENSON
sstevenson@star-telegram.com

TCU baseball just received some great news.

Ace pitcher Jared Janczak, whose season was cut short after having thoracic outlet surgery, will return for his senior season in 2019.

Janczak, who was selected by the Los Angeles Angels in the 32nd round of the MLB draft on June 6, told coach Jim Schlossnagle of his decision Friday evening.

Read more at http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article213298659.html
 

flyfishingfrog

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It’s a big win if he’s healthy and pitches like he did in 2017. Otherwise..........
I agree but we also didn’t really get any of the high schoolers to campus that could have potentially filled into his spot did we?

So at some level, the chance with JJ’s health is really a necessary risk because a lack of weekend guys without him
 

Purp

Active Member
It’s a big win if he’s healthy and pitches like he did in 2017. Otherwise..........
Is there any thought of him coming out of the pen considering that operation or is it rotation or bust for him? I too am a little worried he may not be as effective or consistent as we'll hope. I'll be thrilled to be wrong, though.
 

Paint It Purple

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Is there any thought of him coming out of the pen considering that operation or is it rotation or bust for him? I too am a little worried he may not be as effective or consistent as we'll hope. I'll be thrilled to be wrong, though.
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2015/7/1/8859137/thoracic-outlet-syndrome-pitcher-effectiveness

I am betting JJ will have a tremendous year for the Frogs. Glad he's back and hope for him that a great year will boost him into some serious money and a chance in the Bigs.
 

Pharm Frog

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https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2015/7/1/8859137/thoracic-outlet-syndrome-pitcher-effectiveness

I am betting JJ will have a tremendous year for the Frogs. Glad he's back and hope for him that a great year will boost him into some serious money and a chance in the Bigs.

You post a link to that article and then bet that JJ will have a tremendous year? I'm not seeing the connection because that article does not support the contention that quick and effective recovery is a good bet....especially for control pitchers. In fact, the last line of the article is downright depressing. I, too, want JJ to have a "beat the odds", fabulous season but I think I'd try to find a different article that gives me more hope.
 

Paint It Purple

Active Member
You post a link to that article and then bet that JJ will have a tremendous year? I'm not seeing the connection because that article does not support the contention that quick and effective recovery is a good bet....especially for control pitchers. In fact, the last line of the article is downright depressing. I, too, want JJ to have a "beat the odds", fabulous season but I think I'd try to find a different article that gives me more hope.
Then I suggest you read it again, because the pluses and minuses are not unequal, depending on what lens you choose to read it through. The article was for those unfamiliar with the injury. Wasn’t trying to do diddly for YOUR hope.
 

Purp

Active Member
Then I suggest you read it again, because the pluses and minuses are not unequal, depending on what lens you choose to read it through. The article was for those unfamiliar with the injury. Wasn’t trying to do diddly for YOUR hope.
So there are as many pluses as minuses? I'm thinking a 50/50 chance of being fully healthy next year isn't that great.
 

Leap Frog

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Great news, let's all hope for the best. It's an iffy thing, but some pitchers come back stronger than ever. There are some in the bigs that even gain more velocity on their stuff-- some who have setbacks, so we'll see. I'm betting on the former for Janczak.
 

Pharm Frog

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Then I suggest you read it again, because the pluses and minuses are not unequal, depending on what lens you choose to read it through. The article was for those unfamiliar with the injury. Wasn’t trying to do diddly for YOUR hope.

I read it through the lens of the author's conclusion but I took your suggestion and just read it again. This paragraph still seems to stand out:

There aren't a lot of pitchers who have had this injury, but the track record isn't good. Counting on a pitcher who has been through this injury is a terrifying proposition, especially considering the fact that the pitchers in this article are some of the most injury-prone players in recent memory. Perhaps Jaime Garcia can break the trend and give hope to pitchers who suffer this injury in the future. His success in seven starts this year defies some of the trends shown by the other pitchers with this injury. Still, until we have a better track record of pitchers returning from thoracic outlet syndrome, it will keep its reputation as one of the worst arm injuries that a pitcher could suffer.

A more optimistic analysis is found here (albeit with a fairly small sample size) and I suppose that earlier diagnosis and improved techniques may enhance the odds as well. But in the article we find that the average rehab time for players who returned to pitching was 325 days which is quite daunting. Matt Harvey and Phil Hughes are some notable pitchers who have had TOS surgery.

https://www.annalsofvascularsurgery.com/article/S0890-5096(16)30628-8/fulltext

Abstract follows

Background
High-performance throwing athletes may be susceptible to the development of neurogenic thoracic outlet syndrome (NTOS). This condition can be career-threatening but the outcomes of treatment for NTOS in elite athletes have not been well characterized. The purpose of this study was to utilize objective performance metrics to evaluate the impact of surgical treatment for NTOS in Major League Baseball (MLB) pitchers.

Methods
Thirteen established MLB pitchers underwent operations for NTOS between July 2001 and July 2014. For those returning to MLB, traditional and advanced (PitchF/x) MLB performance metrics were acquired from public databases for various time-period scenarios before and after surgery, with comparisons made using paired t-tests, Wilcoxon matched-pair signed-rank tests, and Kruskal–Wallis analysis of variance.

Results
Ten of 13 pitchers (77%) achieved a sustained return to MLB, with a mean age of 30.2 ± 1.4 years at the time of surgery and 10.8 ± 1.5 months of postoperative rehabilitation before the return to MLB. Pre- and postoperative career data revealed no significant differences for 15 traditional pitching metrics, including earned run average (ERA), fielding independent pitching, walks plus hits per inning pitched (WHIP), walks per 9 innings, and strikeouts to walk ratio (SO/BB). There were also no significant differences between the 3 years before and the 3 years after surgical treatment. Using PitchF/x data for 72 advanced metrics and 25 different time-period scenarios, the highest number of significant relationships (n = 18) was observed for the 8 weeks before/12 weeks after scenario. In this analysis, 54 (75%) measures were unchanged (including ERA, WHIP, and SO/BB) and 14 (19%) were significantly improved, while only 4 (6%) were significantly decreased (including hard pitch maximal velocity 93.1 ± 1.0 vs. 92.5 ± 0.9 miles/hr, P = 0.047). Six pitchers remained active in MLB during the study period, while the other 4 had retired due to factors or injuries unrelated to NTOS.

Conclusions
Objective performance metrics demonstrate that pitchers returning to MLB after surgery for NTOS have had capabilities equivalent to or better than before treatment. Thoracic outlet decompression coupled with an ample period of postoperative rehabilitation can provide effective treatment for professional baseball pitchers with career-threatening NTOS.
 
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