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FWST: ‘Best job in America.’ Jerry Kill embraces new role, ready to turn TCU’s offense around

CountryFrog

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I'm not sure I understand why you're asking but I don't even know Jerry Kill's age. I am not terribly excited about his lack of innovation but I am not sure I equate that with age.
Really? If not age, then how are you reaching the conclusion that he has a lack of innovation?

I'm not even saying that you're wrong. Just curious what your process has been to reach that conclusion.
 

BrewingFrog

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"Innovative"? Hell, a single-wing offense can be effective if it is well executed.

Last season, it didn't matter which offense we were running. There was no timing, crispness, or confidence. No offense will succeed in that state.*

What Kill brings to the party is the commitment to proper execution and the apparent ability to get players to buy into this commitment as well. That is precisely what the Doctor ordered.**


*It is this complete failure that, had I been in charge, would have led to Cumbie being escorted out of the building by Security. His belongings would have been heaved from the roof...

**Actually, the Doctor ordered a dry Martini with four olives.
 

Froggish

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I don't think its a stretch to say that Kill has been the architect of football teams that traditionally out execute you rather than out think you. That in itself will improve us greatly because we haven't been able to do either under Cumbie. I think many though would rather us be able to do both and that does require some innovation to pair with a large helping of discipline and accountability.

I'll take whatever offense we need to win games but if I had to choose I'd rather play an exciting brand of football that gets chunk yards and is fun to watch. The line up, telegraph your call, and mow people down is fun with a lead under 5 minutes to go but is sucks to watch for a whole game. We also haven't show we are very good at pretty much anything we've tried.
 

Eight

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I don't think its a stretch to say that Kill has been the architect of football teams that traditionally out execute you rather than out think you. That in itself will improve us greatly because we haven't been able to do either under Cumbie. I think many though would rather us be able to do both and that does require some innovation to pair with a large helping of discipline and accountability.

I'll take whatever offense we need to win games but if I had to choose I'd rather play an exciting brand of football that gets chunk yards and is fun to watch. The line up, telegraph your call, and mow people down is fun with a lead under 5 minutes to go but is sucks to watch for a whole game. We also haven't show we are very good at pretty much anything we've tried.

i have said it before and will continue to do so that this basis for an effective offense is rooted in being able to execute certain plays in that offense that not only provides you with a certain degree of confidence in key situations, but force the defense to prepare for those plays which opens the door for plays that are built off those core components

it is the foundation of building an identity for the offense and i do think the lack of cohesiveness, execution, and identity are intertwined in the frogs offensive struggles.
 

Mean Purple

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I think Kill covers it well for us. He had a lot to do with the improvement that Va. Tech saw in some key areas. Execution has so much to do with the ability to play exciting football. Kind of hard to be creative on offense if you have to constantly make adjustments (including limiting the playbook) because players are missing basic parts of their assignments.
 

FrogAbroad

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I think Kill covers it well for us. He had a lot to do with the improvement that Va. Tech saw in some key areas. Execution has so much to do with the ability to play exciting football. Kind of hard to be creative on offense if you have to constantly make adjustments (including limiting the playbook) because players are missing basic parts of their assignments.

In 1975, John McKay became the first-ever coach of the NFL’s newest expansion franchise, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Funny, loquacious, and entertaining, but bitingly sarcastic, McKay said some of the funniest things in the history of "coach-speak.”

McKay’s most famous quote, bar none, was in answer to the question: “What do you think of your team’s execution, coach?” To which McKay replied, “I’m in favor of it.”
 

H0RNEDFR0G

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How has J. Kill improved offenses in the past? Has he improved the running game? Passing game? Is it the general leadership and organization of a strong willed coach who brings structure and responsibility to both players and coaches?
Anyone have knowledge of what to expect?

This is Jerry Kill's run/pass playcalling mix vs TCU's run/pass:



Kill has improved teams in the past by running the ball a lot.

Running the ball was not TCU's issue in 2019. The issue was having the worst passing offense in the B12 and one of the worst in the nation:
  • 10th of 10 in completion % (115/130 nationally in FBS football)
  • 10th of 10 in yards per attempt (111/130)
  • 9th of 10 in yards per game (90/130)
Running the ball TCU was ranked:
  • 3rd of 10 yards per rush in B12 (38/130 nationally)
  • 3rd of 10 rush yards per game in B12 (29/130)
Source: http://cfbstats.com/2019/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category02/sort03.html

Our offensive line did a decent job of run blocking. They ranked 24th in the country at line yards per carry. But much of our passing game woes stemmed from terrible protection from the offensive line. Our passing down sack rate ranking was 85/130 and in sacks allowed per game TCU ranked 99/130 nationally.

Sources: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2019
http://cfbstats.com/2019/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category20/sort03.html

When we attempted a pass, things just looked sloppy. Many times the WR's didn't run routes very well and they had a lot of drops. Max Duggan definitely sailed a few balls, but it looked like the QB and the WR weren't on the same page. The protection was ghastly, Max is a mobile QB, for us to be that bad at allowing sacks is unforgivable. Hopefully Kill can focus on technique and make some improvements.
 
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Eight

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This is Jerry Kill's run/pass playcalling mix vs TCU's run/pass:



Kill has improved teams in the past by running the ball a lot.

Running the ball was not TCU's issue in 2019. The issue was having the worst passing offense in the B12 and one of the worst in the nation:
  • 10th of 10 in completion % (115/130 nationally in FBS football)
  • 10th of 10 in yards per attempt (111/130)
  • 9/10 in yards per game (90/130)
Running the ball TCU was:
  • 3/10 yards per rush
  • 3/10 yards per game
Source: http://cfbstats.com/2019/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category02/sort03.html

Our offensive line did a decent job of run blocking. They ranked 24th in the country at line yards per carry. But much of our passing game stemmed from terrible protection from the offensive line. Our passing down sack rate ranking was 85/130 and sacks allowed were 94/130.
Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2019

When we attempted a pass, things just looked sloppy. Many times the WR's didn't run routes very well and they had a lot of drops. Max Duggan definitely sailed a few balls, but it looked like the QB and the WR weren't on the same page. The protection was ghastly, Max did a good job of scrambling and by no means has lead feet, for us to be that bad at allowing sacks with such a mobile QB is unforgivable. Hopefully Kill can focus on technique and make some improvements.


would be interested in the frogs rushing numbers on called run play and minus scrambles by duggan

might be way off, but it seemed to me at times last year that when the frogs needed to run the ball they struggled and often times the numbers got skewed a bit from a big run by duggan
 

H0RNEDFR0G

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would be interested in the frogs rushing numbers on called run play and minus scrambles by duggan

might be way off, but it seemed to me at times last year that when the frogs needed to run the ball they struggled and often times the numbers got skewed a bit from a big run by duggan

That's kinda what this site tracks:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2019

It's done in terms of "Line Yards per Carry" and "Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry".

"Line Yards per Carry" is credit to the line for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards, and 50% credit for 4-8 yards, anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. TCU was ranked 24th of 130 in this metric for 2019.

"Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry" is raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for standard downs. A standard down is first down, 2nd and 7 or fewer, 3rd and 4 or fewer, and 4th and 4 or fewer. TCU was ranked 29th of 130 in this metric for 2019.

It's worth noting that TCU was ranked 18th at Passing Down Line Yards in '19, which is where I think you see the Duggan effect.

But the best TCU O-Line metric by far in '19 was its Power Success Rate of 85.7% (ranked 8th nationally). This is the percentage of runs on 3rd and 4th down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a touchdown or first down. That's something to be proud of, and something we can build on.
 
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