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Fire Kendal Briles

Wexahu

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He has a mediocre OL and no RBs. You try coordinating an offense without the ability to run the ball. I bet it’s not very easy.

Been scheming guys open all over the place.
Practically every one of our yards on the ground comes from some sort of gimmicky misdirection or personnel package, out of necessity. When we just line up and run a normal running play to a back we get next to nothing. Our line consistently gets zero push. I guess it’s the OCs fault but if we had a coordinator who didn’t think outside the box it would be extra ugly.

The lack of talent is on the staff, but in this day and age part of the problem is boosters who would rather not see this staff succeed.
 

Ron Swanson

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Why does he have a mediocre OL and no RBs? Who's responsible for recruiting and coaching them?
We have done a very good job of recruiting O Linemen since Kendall arrived. They’re all true freshman and redshirt freshman.

We’ve tried our best in the portal but we’ve gotten outspent in NIL for the guys we really wanted and have had to make do.

We recruited Payne and Palmer at RB since he’s arrived and they are showing promise, but are true freshmen. We have what appears to be a good RB committed to the current class.

Personally, I think we should’ve gone after a RB in the last portal cycle, but we didn’t for whatever reason. Not sure whose call that is.
 

Limey Frog

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We have done a very good job of recruiting O Linemen since Kendall arrived. They’re all true freshman and redshirt freshman.

We’ve tried our best in the portal but we’ve gotten outspent in NIL for the guys we really wanted and have had to make do.

We recruited Payne and Palmer at RB since he’s arrived and they are showing promise, but are true freshmen. We have what appears to be a good RB committed to the current class.

Personally, I think we should’ve gone after a RB in the last portal cycle, but we didn’t for whatever reason. Not sure whose call that is.
Yeah. we'll see what things look like next year. I've been as critical as anyone of Briles because I just don't like the tendencies built into the scheme, and I don't think he's as good at running it as his dad--you're basically paying for the JV version that I find frustrating even when it's basically working, and it basically hasn't been working. That said... Baylor had some really strong running teams in their best years with this system, as did Arkansas before Johnny Tape-fingers came here. Like it or not, he'll be back next year and in year three we should start seeing proof of concept. If he wants to run the ball and just needs to get his own recruits in place with the initial years of development that o-linemen need, we should start seeing that work out next year. Let's hope he proves the doubters wrong then. I wouldn't have hired him, but I'll be glad to eat crow just as soon as he proves me wrong by helping TCU win football games.
 

Wexahu

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Yeah. we'll see what things look like next year. I've been as critical as anyone of Briles because I just don't like the tendencies built into the scheme, and I don't think he's as good at running it as his dad--you're basically paying for the JV version that I find frustrating even when it's basically working, and it basically hasn't been working. That said... Baylor had some really strong running teams in their best years with this system, as did Arkansas before Johnny Tape-fingers came here. Like it or not, he'll be back next year and in year three we should start seeing proof of concept. If he wants to run the ball and just needs to get his own recruits in place with the initial years of development that o-linemen need, we should start seeing that work out next year. Let's hope he proves the doubters wrong then. I wouldn't have hired him, but I'll be glad to eat crow just as soon as he proves me wrong by helping TCU win football games.
He doesn't run the same offense as his dad. Maybe you'd like him to, but I don't think that would change your opinion at all. We are now 33rd in the country in yards per game, 34th in yards per play, and 36th in scoring. Conversely, on defense we are 56th in yards per game allowed, 56th in yards per play, and 100th in scoring. And yet you think Briles is one of the biggest problems we have. It'll always be something with people like you. Last year it was red zone offense. Well, now that we are 24th in red zone efficiency, it's all about the running game. blah blah blah. The bottom line is we are moving the ball pretty well and scoring enough points, especially given that our O-line pretty much stinks.

I think you were the one who said Whittingham, Gundy and Campbell were the standards in this league for consistently putting out tough, well-coached, disciplined teams. Well, how is that working out for them? The first two are a combined 1-10 in the league and the last one just lost at home to Texas Tech. What happened? I guess they suck at coaching now? This idiocy where you've got to go at least 9-3 or heads need to be chopped is so stupid. Last year we were 5-7 with a couple bad blowout losses, and this year we are 5-4 with two losses that were basically on last minute plays, with a great chance to go 7-5 and a solid chance to go 8-4 (which would be our 5th best record in 13 years) and you claim we are regressing? We might go 5-7 again next year, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if we went 9-3 with this same staff. Hell, we might catch a few good breaks and do better than that.

And that you keep calling him Johnny Tape-fingers says it all.
 

Limey Frog

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He doesn't run the same offense as his dad. Maybe you'd like him to, but I don't think that would change your opinion at all. We are now 33rd in the country in yards per game, 34th in yards per play, and 36th in scoring. Conversely, on defense we are 56th in yards per game allowed, 56th in yards per play, and 100th in scoring. And yet you think Briles is one of the biggest problems we have. It'll always be something with people like you. Last year it was red zone offense. Well, now that we are 24th in red zone efficiency, it's all about the running game. blah blah blah. The bottom line is we are moving the ball pretty well and scoring enough points, especially given that our O-line pretty much stinks.

I think you were the one who said Whittingham, Gundy and Campbell were the standards in this league for consistently putting out tough, well-coached, disciplined teams. Well, how is that working out for them? The first two are a combined 1-10 in the league and the last one just lost at home to Texas Tech. What happened? I guess they suck at coaching now? This idiocy where you've got to go at least 9-3 or heads need to be chopped is so stupid. Last year we were 5-7 with a couple bad blowout losses, and this year we are 5-4 with two losses that were basically on last minute plays, with a great chance to go 7-5 and a solid chance to go 8-4 (which would be our 5th best record in 13 years) and you claim we are regressing? We might go 5-7 again next year, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if we went 9-3 with this same staff. Hell, we might catch a few good breaks and do better than that.

And that you keep calling him Johnny Tape-fingers says it all.
This is a thread about the offense. I didn't say our defense isn't a mess, and I noted elsewhere that the defense lost us the game on Saturday. Our offense did enough to win.

Whittingham and Gundy both look to be running out of steam just like GP did, but I'm sure you agree that their programs have been very impressive for as long or longer as GP's period of sustained success at TCU. Not sure what your point is on Campbell--that he sucks now after they lost to Tech? I'd still trade places with them.

I'm aware that this offense isn't exactly what Baylor ran. Based on what he did at Arkansas it may be that Briles Jr. wants to build the kind of offensive line that with a running QB like Hejny can control clock, help the defense, win games on the ground, and not be all or nothing on TOP and turnover margin. So far the underlying tendencies have been more the kind of thing that I don't care for: snapping the ball too early in the play clock (except when we're making endless late substitutions and letting the other team's defense force delay of game penalties by subbing in a linemen at glacial pace), screen plays behind the sticks, reliance on throws into traffic over the middle to sustain drives, generally living in third-and-long. As I've already told you, I think TOP and turnover margin are more important than the passing yard stats you keep citing. The improvement in scoring certainly is significant. There have been fewer empty calorie yard problems this year than last year. The offense was hopeless in Salt Lake City and at home vs. Houston, and disappeared for two quarters against Tech, but on other weeks it has done enough.

As for "people like me," I could flip that around if you like. You believe I'm animated by personal dislike. I don't believe that Johnny Tape-fingers (so sorry) Art Briles, Jr., knew nothing about what went on a Baylor and I wouldn't have hired him. I think that you and "people like you" enjoy the smug feeling you get from telling yourself that you're not the kind of small-minded person who holds a grudge and are big enough to see that Johnny is innocent. Whatever; that doesn't matter either way. As I have said I don't know how many times, we've hired him, he works for TCU and if he helps us win games without doing unethical things that's fine. You keep saying that our running game and offensive line are terrible as though it's nothing to do with our OC.

You clearly believe that what we've seen from this offense to date is sufficient to conclude that we're heading in the right direction and Briles will have us running the ball satisfactorily next year. I will believe that, eat crow and apologize for my lack of faith when I see it on the field, not when you get pissy with me for being one of those people.
 

Wexahu

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This is a thread about the offense. I didn't say our defense isn't a mess, and I noted elsewhere that the defense lost us the game on Saturday. Our offense did enough to win.

Whittingham and Gundy both look to be running out of steam just like GP did, but I'm sure you agree that their programs have been very impressive for as long or longer as GP's period of sustained success at TCU. Not sure what your point is on Campbell--that he sucks now after they lost to Tech? I'd still trade places with them.

I'm aware that this offense isn't exactly what Baylor ran. Based on what he did at Arkansas it may be that Briles Jr. wants to build the kind of offensive line that with a running QB like Hejny can control clock, help the defense, win games on the ground, and not be all or nothing on TOP and turnover margin. So far the underlying tendencies have been more the kind of thing that I don't care for: snapping the ball too early in the play clock (except when we're making endless late substitutions and letting the other team's defense force delay of game penalties by subbing in a linemen at glacial pace), screen plays behind the sticks, reliance on throws into traffic over the middle to sustain drives, generally living in third-and-long. As I've already told you, I think TOP and turnover margin are more important than the passing yard stats you keep citing. The improvement in scoring certainly is significant. There have been fewer empty calorie yard problems this year than last year. The offense was hopeless in Salt Lake City and at home vs. Houston, and disappeared for two quarters against Tech, but on other weeks it has done enough.

As for "people like me," I could flip that around if you like. You believe I'm animated by personal dislike. I don't believe that Johnny Tape-fingers (so sorry) Art Briles, Jr., knew nothing about what went on a Baylor and I wouldn't have hired him. I think that you and "people like you" enjoy the smug feeling you get from telling yourself that you're not the kind of small-minded person who holds a grudge and are big enough to see that Johnny is innocent. Whatever; that doesn't matter either way. As I have said I don't know how many times, we've hired him, he works for TCU and if he helps us win games without doing unethical things that's fine. You keep saying that our running game and offensive line are terrible as though it's nothing to do with our OC.

You clearly believe that what we've seen from this offense to date is sufficient to conclude that we're heading in the right direction and Briles will have us running the ball satisfactorily next year. I will believe that, eat crow and apologize for my lack of faith when I see it on the field, not when you get pissy with me for being one of those people.
Our O-line being what it is is a combination of the prior staff's recruiting efforts, the current staff's recruiting efforts, the efforts of our O-line coach, and last but not least our boosters being unwilling to pay what you need to pay to lure good talent. Where KB fits into this I don't know. I guess he deserves some blame but he isn't all that high on the list, he is primarily designing plays.

Oh, I think it's more the smug feeling "people like you" get from claiming some kind of moral high ground. Art Briles, Jr.....LOL.
 

An-Cap Frog

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5th in scoring and 5th in yards in the conference = arguably the best OC?

geez okay. Guess we have different standards. Briles has always been an empty stats guy though. Which teams has he led that actually had really good success in the season? Every one of his teams have been have been mediocre to above average, not elite though.. Even Baylor's teams weren't as good with him as OC.

But it's never his fault. I'm not saying it's all his fault, but come on there's no need for you to defend him. Every coach is at fault for this 5-4 season.

If you want to break it down even further, just go by conference games:

TCU is 9th in points per game. 3rd in yards. (Ill give some credit for that one)
The issues are more so, how come we don't have a ready for prime time OL in year 3? Did we miss on the recruiting trail, transfer portal, development, etc? I know we bemoan his play calling, but he's been way more effective in the redzone versus last year, and has schemed up a run game with SW out of necessity. Turnovers have been an issue and I don't know how much of that can be squared with the coaching staff. You have QB in his first full season and new parts at RB/OL. Even with the glaring hole in the run game, this offense has done what it could, so points per game or yards per game are probably not the right metric to view this entire staff's performance. It's the lack of development or the acquisition of personnel that is the issue.
 

An-Cap Frog

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Practically every one of our yards on the ground comes from some sort of gimmicky misdirection or personnel package, out of necessity. When we just line up and run a normal running play to a back we get next to nothing. Our line consistently gets zero push. I guess it’s the OCs fault but if we had a coordinator who didn’t think outside the box it would be extra ugly.

The lack of talent is on the staff, but in this day and age part of the problem is boosters who would rather not see this staff succeed.
I think he is thinking outside of the box, which is why SW is getting so many carries and practically has an entire package of plays for him in the backfield.
 
He doesn't run the same offense as his dad. Maybe you'd like him to, but I don't think that would change your opinion at all. We are now 33rd in the country in yards per game, 34th in yards per play, and 36th in scoring. Conversely, on defense we are 56th in yards per game allowed, 56th in yards per play, and 100th in scoring. And yet you think Briles is one of the biggest problems we have. It'll always be something with people like you. Last year it was red zone offense. Well, now that we are 24th in red zone efficiency, it's all about the running game. blah blah blah. The bottom line is we are moving the ball pretty well and scoring enough points, especially given that our O-line pretty much stinks.

I think you were the one who said Whittingham, Gundy and Campbell were the standards in this league for consistently putting out tough, well-coached, disciplined teams. Well, how is that working out for them? The first two are a combined 1-10 in the league and the last one just lost at home to Texas Tech. What happened? I guess they suck at coaching now? This idiocy where you've got to go at least 9-3 or heads need to be chopped is so stupid. Last year we were 5-7 with a couple bad blowout losses, and this year we are 5-4 with two losses that were basically on last minute plays, with a great chance to go 7-5 and a solid chance to go 8-4 (which would be our 5th best record in 13 years) and you claim we are regressing? We might go 5-7 again next year, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if we went 9-3 with this same staff. Hell, we might catch a few good breaks and do better than that.

And that you keep calling him Johnny Tape-fingers says it all.
What would our record look like if we had BYU, Iowa State and Kansas State, though? We had a layup schedule this year, so 9-3 is really equal to about 7-5 when UT and OU were in the conference.

You rail on GP having .500 records his last several seasons — well, this is the second in a row for Dykes.
 

An-Cap Frog

Member
What would our record look like if we had BYU, Iowa State and Kansas State, though? We had a layup schedule this year, so 9-3 is really equal to about 7-5 when UT and OU were in the conference.

You rail on GP having .500 records his last several seasons — well, this is the second in a row for Dykes.
Prepare for a third...
 

Wexahu

Full Member
What would our record look like if we had BYU, Iowa State and Kansas State, though? We had a layup schedule this year, so 9-3 is really equal to about 7-5 when UT and OU were in the conference.

You rail on GP having .500 records his last several seasons — well, this is the second in a row for Dykes.
I don’t know. K-State just lost to Houston and Tech just beat ISU in Ames. I don’t think there’s much that separates these teams. I bet we finish above .500.
 

Ron Swanson

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The issues are more so, how come we don't have a ready for prime time OL in year 3? Did we miss on the recruiting trail, transfer portal, development, etc? I know we bemoan his play calling, but he's been way more effective in the redzone versus last year, and has schemed up a run game with SW out of necessity. Turnovers have been an issue and I don't know how much of that can be squared with the coaching staff. You have QB in his first full season and new parts at RB/OL. Even with the glaring hole in the run game, this offense has done what it could, so points per game or yards per game are probably not the right metric to view this entire staff's performance. It's the lack of development or the acquisition of personnel that is the issue.
A. Kendall hasn’t been here for three years. Garrett Riley was OC in 2022.

B. Gary’s staff left the OL room complete bare once the 2022 seniors graduated. Sonny and staff tried to patch together a recruiting class in the couple weeks they had between being hired and signing day, and did a pretty solid job considering the situation they were in. The 2 recruiting classes since then, OL (and DL) has been a huge priority and we’ve landed lots of dudes. Those guys are nowhere near ready to contribute due to the nature of the position.

C. NIL has changed everything. There aren’t many sure thing plug & play OL in the portal, and those that are get offered tons of money by the big boys.
 

ShreveFrog

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The only current contributors from Coach P's last class ('21) are Battle, Camara and Rogers. Signed only one (!) freshman OL -- Noah Bolticoff who transferred to Indiana, plus one transfer -- Eze. We have no senior OL's from Gary's last class.
We do still have Mike Nichols from his '20 class.
I see no current contributors in our front 7 defense from either class.
Wow. Awful results.
 
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Wexahu

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I’d be better than him on at least two counts: 1) I’ve always loved TCU and 2) I’ve never offered up coeds as collateral to football recruits.
It's take a gargantuan leap to take the comment of "do you like white girls?" (which really isn't even documented) as the equivalent of "offering up coeds as collateral to football recruits"?

Good grief, you're a self-righteous clown.
 

Ron Swanson

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I’d be better than him on at least two counts: 1) I’ve always loved TCU and 2) I’ve never offered up coeds as collateral to football recruits.
Recruiting is sales. Asking a (probably) horny teenager if they like the kind of girls that are on their campus isn’t “offering them up as collateral”, it’s trying to sell to one of your university’s strong suits.

What do you think he was saying? That the player could [ Baylor accusations ] whatever white girl he wanted? Bit of a leap, don’t you think?
 

The TCU Football Jerk

Active Member
Recruiting is sales. Asking a (probably) horny teenager if they like the kind of girls that are on their campus isn’t “offering them up as collateral”, it’s trying to sell to one of your university’s strong suits.

What do you think he was saying? That the player could [ Baylor accusations ] whatever white girl he wanted? Bit of a leap, don’t you think?

Throwing out the "white women" bit for part of his "sales pitch" is lower than used car salesman Wolf of Wall Street slime.
 
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