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Wexahu

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Texas only has 4 ROAD games this year. How is that even possible? Same with Georgia. Same with Ole Miss.
They have 7 home games, just like a whole lot of teams. Because they play OU at a neutral site, I would suspect they never have more than 5 road games or more than 7 home games.

It's not all that unusual for teams that always have a neutral site game.
 

SW toad

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Maybe the patience was justified as you can see by how many teams they played on, but also:

Michael Hawkins wasn't a 5 star QB, has thrown 147 passes for 950 yds 3 TDs and 2 Ints in 3 seasons

Malachi Nelson in 3 seasons thrown 110 passes for 1,291 yds 8 TDs and 9 Ints

Jackson Arnold in 3 seasons 3,293 yds 20 TDs and 8 ints and sacked an incredible 67 times
Why don't you reply with the other 4-5 star QBs who have failed??? You simply point out that Michael Hawkins was not a 5 star and I agree. I made a mistake and Hawkins was a temporary 4 star by On3 prior to the entry into school.

Reply with the proper balance on the QB of the moment Jaden Craig. Do you believe he should be given over the 1st 2 quarters of Ark St & Grambling??????

IOW apply simple critical reasoning and query.

Once again, how much time should Craig be given against Ark St & Grambling???
 

HornyWartyToad

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Why don't you reply with the other 4-5 star QBs who have failed??? You simply point out that Michael Hawkins was not a 5 star and I agree. I made a mistake and Hawkins was a temporary 4 star by On3 prior to the entry into school.

Reply with the proper balance on the QB of the moment Jaden Craig. Do you believe he should be given over the 1st 2 quarters of Ark St & Grambling??????

IOW apply simple critical reasoning and query.

Once again, how much time should Craig be given against Ark St & Grambling???
Pretty arbitrary position staked out, based on what little info we have so far on both QBs. It’s a reasonable assumption Craig can stay healthy given his physical stature.
The only other thing it “seems “ like we know is that NEITHER QB has been super-accurate so far. The logical conclusion from that is that Craig (the guy who was brought in to lead the team, not to “compete “ for the job) needs as many reps as possible before conference play starts. Schobel has great potential, but he’s not there to play this year. He’s there to learn, and develop gradually. Freshman QBs do that with mop-up time, or by playing a pre-planned series once or twice a game.
It makes zero sense to take away Craig’s reps this early. All Schobel should get is a series or two in the 4th quarter. And even that is predicated on a given game being decided by then.
Why don't you reply with the other 4-5 star QBs who have failed??? You simply point out that Michael Hawkins was not a 5 star and I agree. I made a mistake and Hawkins was a temporary 4 star by On3 prior to the entry into school.

Reply with the proper balance on the QB of the moment Jaden Craig. Do you believe he should be given over the 1st 2 quarters of Ark St & Grambling??????

IOW apply simple critical reasoning and query.

Once again, how much time should Craig be given against Ark St & Grambling???
 
The missed headline is how few road games they have played - an average of four per year!

Arky, Georgia, Florida, and LSU are among the teams with a small number of road games compared to other schools.

Maybe that's how the SEC has looked good and stayed highly rated...
8 conference games and a cupcake in week 11.
 
4-0 vs 3-0. For really good teams it makes little difference because they'd probably win the extra game anyway.

The Big 12 as a conference plays four OOC P4 road games this year.....ASU @ A&M, Colorado @ Ga Tech, ISU @ Iowa and UCF @ Pitt. That's it. The SEC has seven OOC P4 road games.

I get it that historically most (not all) of the SEC has historically played an extra cream puff game but the impact that has gets overstated. Some of those teams have also consistently played big time opponents. As a whole they still play the toughest schedules in the country. Because the fallacy is thinking that just because an SEC team goes 6-6, and 2-6 in the conference that they are bad team.
Colorado is also away at Northwestern
 

Wexahu

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8 conference games and a cupcake in week 11.
Arkansas played Alabama A&M, Arkansas State, Memphis, and Notre Dame in OOC last year.
Florida played Long Island U, USF, Miami (Fla.), and Florida State.

Look at Big 12 and ACC OOCs. Other than FSU on occasion, you won't find anything too impressive.

Sometimes the narrative is kinda blown out of proportion.
 
Arkansas played Alabama A&M, Arkansas State, Memphis, and Notre Dame in OOC last year.
Florida played Long Island U, USF, Miami (Fla.), and Florida State.

Look at Big 12 and ACC OOCs. Other than FSU on occasion, you won't find anything too impressive.

Sometimes the narrative is kinda blown out of proportion.
My point is that typically playing one less conference game (and the top typically winning all of their OOC games), they will all have a +1 in the win category, I.e if the middle of your conference is 8-4 instead of 7-5, people are going to be like “see, they’re better”. But also, that late season cupcake - we all know that late season losses are more detrimental than early. So while half of the big 12 (or Pac 12) was taking an L on the second to last weekend, 99% of the SEC was winning.
however, the SEC has gone to 9 conf this year, so it’ll be interesting to see how this works out.
 

Wexahu

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My point is that typically playing one less conference game (and the top typically winning all of their OOC games), they will all have a +1 in the win category, I.e if the middle of your conference is 8-4 instead of 7-5, people are going to be like “see, they’re better”. But also, that late season cupcake - we all know that late season losses are more detrimental than early. So while half of the big 12 (or Pac 12) was taking an L on the second to last weekend, 99% of the SEC was winning.
however, the SEC has gone to 9 conf this year, so it’ll be interesting to see how this works out.
Half the teams are obviously going to have an extra loss, assuming they would have won the alternative game, which in teams like Florida and Arkansas case last year, would not have automatically been the case.

My point is that people see an 9-3 team and assume they are better than a 7-5 team. They most assuredly will be ranked higher. But what kind of record would BYU have had last year had they played a typical SEC schedule? I know these were a bit of outliers, but Florida played LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia, Ole Miss and Tennessee last year (and Miami in OOC!).

Oklahoma played Michigan, Texas, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri....finishes the season 10-2 and is only ranked four spots higher than BYU. Seriously, had BYU had to play all those teams, how many are they winning? They played one really good team twice and got blown out both times (unless you want to call Utah really good, who they beat by 3 at home), and had really close calls against the like of Colorado and Arizona.
 

helcap

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With the SEC going to nine games they no longer have the Conference dictating a non conference game against a P4 opponent. So with one less nonconference games guess which future series they are canceling. ASU has already had both Florida and LSU back out of future home and home. Georgia cancelled with FSU, South Carolina cancelled series with Virginia Tech and North Carolina, Alabama canceled series with WVU, MSU cancelled upcoming series with Texas Tech, etc.

It makes sense from a conference/team perspective if your goal is to avoid nonconference losses to get as many teams as possible in CFB. But from a fans perspective we will see less interconference matchups which are usually interesting and give some basis for comparing the relative strength of Conferences.
 

Mean Purple

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With the SEC going to nine games they no longer have the Conference dictating a non conference game against a P4 opponent. So with one less nonconference games guess which future series they are canceling. ASU has already had both Florida and LSU back out of future home and home. Georgia cancelled with FSU, South Carolina cancelled series with Virginia Tech and North Carolina, Alabama canceled series with WVU, MSU cancelled upcoming series with Texas Tech, etc.

It makes sense from a conference/team perspective if your goal is to avoid nonconference losses to get as many teams as possible in CFB. But from a fans perspective we will see less interconference matchups which are usually interesting and give some basis for comparing the relative strength of Conferences.
insert Coach Red Beaulieu clinging to playbook at the bar gif here.
 

Traveling Frog

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With the SEC going to nine games they no longer have the Conference dictating a non conference game against a P4 opponent. So with one less nonconference games guess which future series they are canceling. ASU has already had both Florida and LSU back out of future home and home. Georgia cancelled with FSU, South Carolina cancelled series with Virginia Tech and North Carolina, Alabama canceled series with WVU, MSU cancelled upcoming series with Texas Tech, etc.

It makes sense from a conference/team perspective if your goal is to avoid nonconference losses to get as many teams as possible in CFB. But from a fans perspective we will see less interconference matchups which are usually interesting and give some basis for comparing the relative strength of Conferences.
To make the playoff you should be required to play a power 4 team in OOC. Only way to determine teams strengths between conferences.
 
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