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ESPN - Schlabach - 2013 Top 25

SeniorFrog

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14. TCU Horned Frogs: TCU limped to a 7-6 record in its first season in the Big 12, but it might have been Gary Patterson's best coaching job. The Horned Frogs were stung by a drug bust that cost them four players in the offseason, then lost quarterback Casey Pachall to off-field problems after four games (he might return in 2013). By the end of the 2012 campaign, TCU's leading passer (Trevone Boykin), rusher (B.J. Catalon) and pass-rusher (Devonte Fields) were freshmen. TCU will benefit next season, with six starters coming back on offense and 10 on defense. In fact, TCU played 28 freshmen this season, tied with LSU for the most in the country. Linebacker Kenny Cain, TCU's top tackler, is the only defensive starter leaving. The Horned Frogs' schedule won't be any easier; they open the 2013 slate against LSU at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, and also play at Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas State.

Opponents:

11. Texas Longhorns: Will the Longhorns finally move back among the sport's elite? If quarterback David Ash plays the way he did in the second half of a 31-27 victory over Oregon State in the Alamo Bowl, UT will have a chance to be a lot better in 2013. But if Ash and backup Case McCoy continue to struggle, it might be another long season for coach Mack Brown, who might be on his last legs in trying to turn things around. The Longhorns started five freshmen and sophomores on offense last season, so there's a lot of experience coming back. Former UT quarterback Major Applewhite takes over the play calling (former offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin left to become Arkansas State's coach), and he's promising more toughness. The defense was even younger, with seven freshmen and sophomores starting in the Alamo Bowl. Only star end Alex Okafor and free safety Kenny Vaccaro are leaving. The returning players should have a better understanding of coordinator Manny Diaz's aggressive scheme. The Longhorns play nonconference games at BYU and home against Ole Miss, as well as Big 12 contests at TCU, West Virginia and Baylor (and against Oklahoma in Dallas).

13. LSU Tigers: The Tigers' surprising loss to Clemson in the Chick-fil-A Bowl further exposed their problems on offense. LSU struggled to protect quarterback Zach Mettenberger, who was mediocre in his first season as a starter. The Tigers were supposed to open their vertical passing game this past season, but they ranked only 92nd in passing (200.5 yards per game) and 85th in total offense (374.2 yards). Part of the problem can be attributed to having such a young offensive line (two freshmen and a sophomore started against Clemson), but Mettenberger also needs to improve his accuracy. LSU still finished 10-3 because of its menacing defense, but it's losing the heart of that unit to the NFL draft. Safety Eric Reid, cornerback Tharold Simon, linebacker Kevin Minter, talented junior ends Barkevious Mingo and Sam Montgomery, and tackle Bennie Logan have all declared for the NFL draft. Punter Brad Wing and tailback Spencer Ware are also leaving for the NFL. That's a boatload of talent to replace, even for a team as deep as LSU.

17. Oklahoma Sooners: The Landry Jones era at OU ended with a thud in the Sooners' ugly loss to the Aggies at the Cotton Bowl. Now coach Bob Stoops and offensive coordinator Josh Heupel will begin the task of replacing Jones, a record-setting quarterback, who threw for 4,267 yards with 30 touchdowns and 11 interceptions this past season. Sophomore Blake Bell, affectionately known as the Belldozer because of his 6-foot-6, 254-pound frame, is the favorite to win the starting job, but he'll have to hold off junior Drew Allen and freshmen Trevor Knight and Kendal Thompson. The Sooners also will have to rebuild their defensive line and replace a couple of starters in the secondary. Even after former Arizona coach Mike Stoops took over the defense, it still struggled against high-powered offenses in the Big 12. The Sooners will play some difficult away games next season, with contests at Notre Dame, Kansas State and Oklahoma State, along with their annual showdown against Texas in Dallas

24. Oklahoma State Cowboys: If the Pokes can settle on a starting quarterback and stick with him -- they rotated freshmen Wes Lunt and J.W. Walsh and junior Clint Chelf throughout this past season -- they'll have a chance to improve on their 8-5 record of 2012. It still wasn't a bad rebuilding campaign after OSU lost quarterback Brandon Weeden and receiver Justin Blackmon from its record-setting offense in 2011. The Pokes will have plenty of firepower behind the quarterbacks next season, with running backs Joseph Randle and Jeremy Smith returning to school. The Cowboys had 20 players make their first career starts this past season; only five other FBS schools had more first-time starters. That experience should pay off in 2013, when OSU plays TCU, Kansas State and Oklahoma at home.
 

HoustonHornedFrog

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If quarterback David Ash plays the way he did in the second half of a 31-27 victory over Oregon State in the Alamo Bowl, UT will have a chance to be a lot better in 2013. But if Ash and backup Case McCoy continue to struggle, it might be another long season for coach Mack Brown,

Perfectly legitimate to base your rating of ut on the last half of the bowl game, instead of the rest of the 2 years that Ash and McCoy have been there. :unsure:

Reminds me a little about how WV was going to be a world beater this year based upon last year's bowl win over Clemson...
 

Ron Swanson

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These guys always put way too much emphasis on bowl game results. A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that the bowl games are some of the only games that most people actually watch the whole way through. Bowl games are generally the only game on at the time, and in the regular season, everyone is flipping back and forth between games, only catching highlights and glimpses of teams.

Also, it's the last thing they saw, so it sticks with them.

Personally, I think UT is overrated and Okie St is underrated. I think TCU is about right. No clue what to think about OU because of their QB situation... can the Bell Dozer do anything besides doze?
 
LOL @ UT #11... GAC was tearing Mark up for that one yesterday... also thought TCU was ranked a little high even with Pachall returning, and said OU was one of the biggest disappointments and flakes at the end of the season. Galloway said "needed the refs help on the last two plays to beat TCU".. LOL
 

jake102

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With Pachall #14 sounds about right.

UT at #11 is a joke. They will win 9-10 games, but they won't be #11 quality.

OU at #17 is way too high. They should be unranked.

Oky State is extremely under rated. I'd switch UT and Oky State.
 

An-Cap Frog

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Yes, OSU is the darkhorse on this list...even if JR leaves. They seemed legit to me this year except on the road...8-5 in 2012 with 5 road games, I Love Irony...
 

Froglaw

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His comment about Patterson is spot on the money.

CGP kept this ship afloat despite multiplying leaks, the sailing master being washed overboard, multiple rips in the sails, during the tropical storm known as the Big 12 regular season.
 

frogbyproxy

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Scout hasn't always been kind to TCU but it seems this early ranking finally shows they actually looked at TCU!
They do have a tendency to say good things but after all is said they would give us a poor ranking. Now if I could just get them to move TCU to the Big 12 instead of keeping them under the MWC tab! :wacko:

http://tcu.scout.com/2/1256576.html



11. TCU

How good will the Horned Frogs be in 2013? It depends a lot on who is under center for the Frogs. If Casey Pachall can return and give the Frogs a reputable passing attack, the rest of the roster sets up nicely for TCU to compete to win the Big 12. OnlyKenny Cain departs from the Big 12’s best defense. TCU has one of the top pass rushing duos in the nation in Devonte Fields and Stansly Maponga, and on the other side of the ball, TCU has a stable of running backs that includes Waymon James, B.J. Catalon, Aaron Green, and freshman Kyle Hicks. If the offensive line can take a step forward from 2012 to 2013, TCU will be back in the top 10. TCU must finish its 2013 recruiting class out strong to ensure it has the depth to deal with injuries that may arise.

Impact 2013 recruit: Paul Whitmill. Kyle Hicks is a good get for the Frogs, and their best impact recruit may not be committed to them yet. They need depth at linebacker and Whitmill has a chance to fill in and play as a freshman. Sammy Douglass andDac Shaw will also get a chance to fight for that playing time.


Shocked TCU is ranked above all the other Big 12 teams! :tongue:



14. Oklahoma State
Joseph Randle’s decision to leave for the NFL leaves a void in an Oklahoma State offense that ranked 7th in passing yards, 21st in rushing yards, and 3rd in scoring offense. Jeremy Smith will likely get portion of the caries that would have gone to Randle. Despite the loss of Randle, Oklahoma State will feature a potent offense led by Wes Lunt, Clint Chelf, or J.W. Walsh. Twenty players made their first career starts for the Pokes last season, and in 2013, that youth will turn into experience. Seniors Daytwaion Lowe and Shamiel Gary will lead Mike Gundy’s defense.
Impact 2013 recruit: Sam Wren. The JUCO transfer will help the Cowboys at defensive end right away in 2013.
15. Texas
Only Okafor and Vaccaro will be gone for the Texas defense that should take a step forward in 2013. Filled with former top recruits, the Texas defense never reached its potential in 2012. However, the success of the Horns in 2013 will largely depend on one man: quarterback David Ash. Ash played well in the Alamo Bowl, and he must carry that momentum and success into 2013 for Texas to reach its potential. Mack Brown’s seat is getting warm in Austin, and his fate may rest in the hands of David Ash. Texas has three tough games at TCU, at West Virginia, and at Baylor next season. Major Applewhite’s playcalling abilities are a wild-card heading into 2013.
Impact 2013 recruit: Darius James. James may not start from day 1 in Austin, but he is an elite offensive lineman that has drawn comparisons to some of the best centers in college football. He is destined for success in Austin.
 

Ron Swanson

Full Member
Scout hasn't always been kind to TCU but it seems this early ranking finally shows they actually looked at TCU!
They do have a tendency to say good things but after all is said they would give us a poor ranking. Now if I could just get them to move TCU to the Big 12 instead of keeping them under the MWC tab! :wacko:

http://tcu.scout.com/2/1256576.html



11. TCU
How good will the Horned Frogs be in 2013? It depends a lot on who is under center for the Frogs. If Casey Pachall can return and give the Frogs a reputable passing attack, the rest of the roster sets up nicely for TCU to compete to win the Big 12. OnlyKenny Cain departs from the Big 12’s best defense. TCU has one of the top pass rushing duos in the nation in Devonte Fields and Stansly Maponga, and on the other side of the ball, TCU has a stable of running backs that includes Waymon James, B.J. Catalon, Aaron Green, and freshman Kyle Hicks. If the offensive line can take a step forward from 2012 to 2013, TCU will be back in the top 10. TCU must finish its 2013 recruiting class out strong to ensure it has the depth to deal with injuries that may arise.
Impact 2013 recruit: Paul Whitmill. Kyle Hicks is a good get for the Frogs, and their best impact recruit may not be committed to them yet. They need depth at linebacker and Whitmill has a chance to fill in and play as a freshman. Sammy Douglass andDac Shaw will also get a chance to fight for that playing time.

Shocked TCU is ranked above all the other Big 12 teams! :tongue:


14. Oklahoma State
Joseph Randle’s decision to leave for the NFL leaves a void in an Oklahoma State offense that ranked 7th in passing yards, 21st in rushing yards, and 3rd in scoring offense. Jeremy Smith will likely get portion of the caries that would have gone to Randle. Despite the loss of Randle, Oklahoma State will feature a potent offense led by Wes Lunt, Clint Chelf, or J.W. Walsh. Twenty players made their first career starts for the Pokes last season, and in 2013, that youth will turn into experience. Seniors Daytwaion Lowe and Shamiel Gary will lead Mike Gundy’s defense.
Impact 2013 recruit: Sam Wren. The JUCO transfer will help the Cowboys at defensive end right away in 2013.
15. Texas
Only Okafor and Vaccaro will be gone for the Texas defense that should take a step forward in 2013. Filled with former top recruits, the Texas defense never reached its potential in 2012. However, the success of the Horns in 2013 will largely depend on one man: quarterback David Ash. Ash played well in the Alamo Bowl, and he must carry that momentum and success into 2013 for Texas to reach its potential. Mack Brown’s seat is getting warm in Austin, and his fate may rest in the hands of David Ash. Texas has three tough games at TCU, at West Virginia, and at Baylor next season. Major Applewhite’s playcalling abilities are a wild-card heading into 2013.
Impact 2013 recruit: Darius James. James may not start from day 1 in Austin, but he is an elite offensive lineman that has drawn comparisons to some of the best centers in college football. He is destined for success in Austin.

FWIW, that article is from the TCU Scout site, not the national Scout site.
 

frogbyproxy

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Does Mike Tuck have ties to TCU?

http://www.sportstal...eason-rankings/

[background=rgb(120, 9, 0)]11. The offseason heading into the Horned Frogs first year in the Big XII was turbulent to say the least, and they weren’t supposed to survive considering their roster and circumstances. But they did, and they’ll be better for it in 2013 with 9/11 returning on the top defense in the conference and offense that will benefit by redshirt Freshman QB Trevone Boykin being thrown into the fire this year.[/background]
 
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