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ESPN: Big 12 Commish Brett Yormark ‘Doubling Down‘ on 5+11 CFP Model

JAB331

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JAB331 said:
The Big 12 will have the Week 0 stage as Iowa State and Kansas State renew their rivalry in Dublin. Other key nonleague Big 12 matchups include Baylor-Auburn, Baylor-SMU and Iowa State-Iowa.
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First, odd they didn’t mention the UNC-TCU game which is considered a top 5 most anticipated matchup. Second, why Baylor-SMU and not TCU-SMU, Baylor has already been mentioned once..? I’m guessing a Baylor alum just got promoted at ESPN and is throwing their weight around like UT alums do.
 
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Mean Purple said:
just do 8 teams.
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Would be much, much better. All 16 is going to do is include 8 more teams that proved during the regular season they don't belong and have zero chance of winning it all. There is nowhere close to enough parity in college football to need a 16-team playoff.
 
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Wexahu said:
Would be much, much better. All 16 is going to do is include 8 more teams that proved during the regular season they don't belong and have zero chance of winning it all. There is nowhere close to enough parity in college football to need a 16-team playoff.
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I'm counter on the reasoning. They don't play similar schedules and the ones who are thought to be bigger are playing nobodies in OOC. The committee is a joke. I think they could pick 8 with the BCS model.
 
stbrab

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Wexahu said:
Would be much, much better. All 16 is going to do is include 8 more teams that proved during the regular season they don't belong and have zero chance of winning it all. There is nowhere close to enough parity in college football to need a 16-team playoff.
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You may be correct…you could say the same thing about college basketball. If it was up to me, I’d go with 8…including the top 5 conference champions. But it was pretty clear once they went to 12, they’d eventually go to 16.
 
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stbrab said:
You may be correct…you could say the same thing about college basketball. If it was up to me, I’d go with 8…including the top 5 conference champions. But it was pretty clear once they went to 12, they’d eventually go to 16.
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I do say the same thing about college basketball. 68 teams is WAY too many. The tournament is great I suppose, but I think it's overhyped (there aren't near as many upsets as they like to make you think, and with the transfer portal mid-majors have zero chance now so it's only going to get more predictable.) and it makes every big matchup in the regular season essentially meaningless when it comes to determining a national champion. When you have teams that can't even finish .500 in their league qualifying for a single-elimination tournament (played on all neutral sites no less) to determine a national champion, you've sucked just about every ounce of importance away from the 30 games played from November-mid March.
 
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Mean Purple said:
I'm counter on the reasoning. They don't play similar schedules and the ones who are thought to be bigger are playing nobodies in OOC. The committee is a joke. I think they could pick 8 with the BCS model.
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Last year at the end of the season the BCS model's (Massey is the best comparison as its a composite of all computer rankings) Top 8 were.....

1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Oregon
4. Georgia
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Alabama
8. Tennessee

Ole Miss, Indiana, Michigan and LSU were 9-12. So you've got 4 SEC, 3 BIG, and Notre Dame in the Top 8 with 4 more SEC/BIG right behind them.

You think computers would make people happy, LOL.

What is a joke is people thinking there really isn't much difference between the P4 leagues, not just in terms of perception but in terms of quality. They are miles apart.
 
ShreveFrog

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I like 5+11 more than 4+4+2+2+at large committee picks. 11 gives you that many chances to get more than 1 more team in. My bet is the committee would never give the Big XII more than its 2 guaranteed picks in the 4422+, while B1G/SEC teams would dominate the 4 at large picks. Jmho.
 
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Mean Purple

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Wexahu said:
I do say the same thing about college basketball. 68 teams is WAY too many. The tournament is great I suppose, but I think it's overhyped (there aren't near as many upsets as they like to make you think, and with the transfer portal mid-majors have zero chance now so it's only going to get more predictable.) and it makes every big matchup in the regular season essentially meaningless when it comes to determining a national champion. When you have teams that can't even finish .500 in their league qualifying for a single-elimination tournament (played on all neutral sites no less) to determine a national champion, you've sucked just about every ounce of importance away from the 30 games played from November-mid March.
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The basketball tourney is a major revenue generator for the NCAA. It's different from how college football post season works. So they love the tv time.
 
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Wexahu said:
Last year at the end of the season the BCS model's (Massey is the best comparison as its a composite of all computer rankings) Top 8 were.....

1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Oregon
4. Georgia
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Alabama
8. Tennessee

Ole Miss, Indiana, Michigan and LSU were 9-12. So you've got 4 SEC, 3 BIG, and Notre Dame in the Top 8 with 4 more SEC/BIG right behind them.

You think computers would make people happy, LOL.

What is a joke is people thinking there really isn't much difference between the P4 leagues, not just in terms of perception but in terms of quality. They are miles apart.
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Well, when it is likely that Texas would have not advanced if they were called for a targeting penalty they should have got against ASU, and Big 12 teams and ACC teams favor well against Big 10 teams that can knock off SEC teams, etc, it aint that big of a joke. You can't just look at the top 3 or 4 teams of leagues.

As for Massey, yeah, a version of that was part of the BCS and can show some relation, the BCS intentionally left the score factor that Massey used out. Also the other items the BCS pulled in.
 
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Mean Purple said:
Well, when it is likely that Texas would have not advanced if they were called for a targeting penalty they should have got against ASU, and Big 12 teams and ACC teams favor well against Big 10 teams that can knock off SEC teams, etc, it aint that big of a joke. You can't just look at the top 3 or 4 teams of leagues.

As for Massey, yeah, a version of that was part of the BCS and can show some relation, the BCS intentionally left the score factor that Massey used out. Also the other items the BCS pulled in.
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Keep thinking the leagues are pretty close in quality, the joke is on you. That a team might pull off a big upset every now and then (or play a close game using your example) is not indicative of much, other than in sports some unlikely things happen from time to time.

Now those SEC/BIG teams are going to beat up on each other because they play each other just like all the Big 12 schools do, but that doesn't mean a 4-loss SEC team sucks, or is average, or whatever you want to call it. By my count there are at least 6 SEC and 4 BIG programs (and that is being VERY conservative) that recruit better, spend more money in the portal, on coaches, training, facilities, etc etc than any Big 12 team. How can they not be better? Drop any top BIG 12 team into either of those leagues, and they are middle of the pack, especially in the SEC. Granted, the bottom half of the BIG is pretty weak, and maybe even a bit weaker than the bottom half of the B12 in some years, but that doesn't offset the huge disparity at the top.

Trust me, nobody rooting for the little guy would like a pure BCS style selection of playoff teams, they'd be begging for the return of the committee.
 
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Mean Purple said:
The basketball tourney is a major revenue generator for the NCAA. It's different from how college football post season works. So they love the tv time.
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Yes, it is. And it's also turned NCAA basketball into about a 3-week sport. And it's a god-awful way to determine a deserving national champion, not that anyone is real concerned with that.
 
ECM

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Wexahu said:
Yes, it is. And it's also turned NCAA basketball into about a 3-week sport. And it's a god-awful way to determine a deserving national champion, not that anyone is real concerned with that.
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How would you propose to do it? Top 16 seeds in a best of 7 tournament?
 
Limey Frog

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Wexahu said:
Would be much, much better. All 16 is going to do is include 8 more teams that proved during the regular season they don't belong and have zero chance of winning it all. There is nowhere close to enough parity in college football to need a 16-team playoff.
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But if more teams can make the field more highly talented players will go to a larger number of teams, perhaps. We'll see.
 
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Wexahu said:
Keep thinking the leagues are pretty close in quality, the joke is on you. That a team might pull off a big upset every now and then (or play a close game using your example) is not indicative of much, other than in sports some unlikely things happen from time to time.

Now those SEC/BIG teams are going to beat up on each other because they play each other just like all the Big 12 schools do, but that doesn't mean a 4-loss SEC team sucks, or is average, or whatever you want to call it. By my count there are at least 6 SEC and 4 BIG programs (and that is being VERY conservative) that recruit better, spend more money in the portal, on coaches, training, facilities, etc etc than any Big 12 team. How can they not be better? Drop any top BIG 12 team into either of those leagues, and they are middle of the pack, especially in the SEC. Granted, the bottom half of the BIG is pretty weak, and maybe even a bit weaker than the bottom half of the B12 in some years, but that doesn't offset the huge disparity at the top.

Trust me, nobody rooting for the little guy would like a pure BCS style selection of playoff teams, they'd be begging for the return of the committee.
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lmao
 

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