1. The KillerFrogs

Election 2020

Discussion in 'The Pit' started by Bob Sugar, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. guess some russian teenager has been at biden's wikepedia page lately. a few tidbits:

    "Biden graduated from Syracuse University College of Law, where he earned a law degree in 1968. He later said he found law school "the biggest bore in the world".[26][27] He was admitted to the Delaware bar in 1969.[28]

    During his first year at Syracuse, Biden was accused of plagiarizing five of fifteen pages of a law review article. He said it was inadvertent, and that he did not know the proper rules of citation. As a result, he failed the course and had to retake it. The plagiarism incident resurfaced in 1987 during his first run for president.[29][30]

    Biden received student draft deferments during this period.[31] After he completed his studies, the Selective Service System classified him as unavailable for service due to a history of asthma.[31][32]"

    "In 1993, Biden voted in favor of 10 U.S.C. §654, a section of a broader federally mandated policy that deemed homosexuality incompatible with military life thereby banning gay Americans from serving in the United States armed forces in any capacity without exception.[68][69][70]"

    "In 1996, Biden voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act (1 U.S.C. §7), which prohibited the federal government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, barring individuals in such marriages from equal protection under federal law, and allowing states to do the same.[72"

    "In the mid-1970s, Biden was one of the Senate's leading opponents of desegregation busing. His white Delaware constituents strongly opposed it, and such opposition nationwide later led his party to mostly abandon school desegregation policies.[78]

    In his first Senate campaign, Biden expressed support for the Supreme Court's 1971 Swann decision, which supported busing programs to integrate school districts to remedy de jure segregation, as in the South, but opposed it to remedy de facto segregation, as in Delaware. He said Republicans were using busing as a scare tactic to court Southern white votes, and along with Boggs voiced opposition to a House of Representatives constitutional amendment banning busing.[79] In May 1974, Biden voted to table an amendment to an omnibus education bill promoted by Edward Gurney (R-FL) that contained anti-busing measures and anti-school desegregation clauses. The next day, Senator Robert Griffin (R-MI) attempted to revive an amended version of the amendment. Minority Leader Hugh Scott (R-PA) and Majority Leader Mike Mansfield (D-MT) offered to leave the text of Griffin's amendment intact but add the qualifier that such legislation was not intended to weaken the judiciary's power to enforce the 5th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. Biden voted for this compromise, angering his local voters.[80]"

    "Biden supported a measure Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) sponsored that forbade the use of federal funds to transport students beyond their closest school. This was adopted as part of the Labor-HEW Appropriations Act of 1976. In 1977, Biden co-sponsored an amendment with Thomas Eagleton (D-MO) to close loopholes in Byrd's amendment. A 1977 status report on school desegregation by the federal Civil Rights Commission in Washington, D.C., said, "the enactment of Eagleton-Biden would be an actual violation, on the part of the Federal Government, of the fifth amendment and Title VI" of the Civil Rights Act.[84] President Carter signed the amendment into law in 1978.[85] Biden repeatedly asked for, and received, the support of Senator James Eastland (D-MS) on anti-busing measures.[86]"

    obviously one's view can change over time but that is a curious track record
     
  2. Digging around a little, it looks like all their funding is client-based.

    Those include the usual suspects. The DCCC, SEIU, AFL-CIO, et al.
     
  3. like accusing me of TDS
     
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  4. If our federal government had a functional response plan for this issue opening schools would 100% be the right call. I know you love yourself and you’re the smartest guy in the world but all of us want to get back to normal, just would be nice if we could’ve done that as fast as the rest of the world and without 180k dead
     
  5. That’s vague. Other than telling everyone to take it seriously, what other national response should we have done, in your opinion?
     
  6. Fair, it's vague because I'm not an expert no the topic. I'd pretty much give this guy the keys to the car and asked minimal questions.



    My biggest thing is the President is supposed to be a leader and he could've said "Seriously, everyone, I don't care who you are, we need to take this seriously, wear a mask, social distance, etc." (although admittedly the science was shaky at the time). By April the science was clear about masks and he didn't come around until June though, lead by example.

    Use the Defense Production Act to manufacture PPE and then slowly back off.

    Open businesses and provide them with free PPE as they open. Manufacture and distribute PPE with laid off workers, helps create jobs and make us less reliant on foreign powers.

    Work with governors to open schools as rates gets low enough.

    Throw substantial resources to increase drive through testing

    Hire contact traces (although lizard Illuminati fascism says LVH from his smartphone)

    Stay in the WHO since you can't fight a global pandemic well without allies and a global approach.

    But like I said, I am just a socialist teacher so I can't 100% say, but I do know I'd recommend being humble enough to listen to experts and support their opinions publicly.
     
  7. I also realize all parts of that plan may not be perfect and I'm open to criticisms but it's sure as hell better than the "deny and then fart and fall over" strategy Trump has used.
     
  8. the same WHO who have gone out of their way to not piss of china, the country who denied the existence of the problem for months?

    more testing doesn't do a thing if you are talking 330M+ in population

    as far as hiring tracers you should see the crack group hired by harris county. imagine a group who couldn't get hired for census work.
     
  9. But that hasn’t been his strategy.

    He realizes there are more things to deal with than COVID, he understands we have to move on to a large degree, etc etc.

    And no, I’m not necessarily defending him, he has made mistakes. I’d argue the mistakes he’s made don’t jive with what you thinks the mistakes were, but he’s also dealing with a national media campaign against his Presidency.

    Have honest discussion, saying his strategy has been “deny and the fart and fall over” is total bush league. You act like we haven’t been doing anything. The country has been in first gear since March. Grow up.
     
  10. the tracers comment is fair and honestly I’m not sure how we’d ensure we hired quality ones, I just know lots of other countries have done it.

    We can work to fix the WHO, and China definitely is the leading sinner we need to address in that, but can do that better from within and by making allies, rather than taking our ball and going home. Foreign alliances matter and we’re better off working within global alliances than isolating ourselves
     
  11. He literally said it was a Democratic Hoax and had two indoor campaign rallies with disappointing crowds months ago. Probably the worst possible thing he could have done.

    We sort of have addressed it, but too late and too little, and people have died because of it. Don’t say “I’m not defending him” and then proceed to defend him
     
  12. I suppose you think a 3-month minimum federal mandate to wear a mask, indoors and outdoors, would be a good idea. Wouldn’t surprise me.
     
  13. He compared the Democrats' handling of the pandemic as another one of their hoaxes, not the virus itself. This has been thoroughly debunked, no matter how many times Joe Biden lies about what Trump said.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

     
  14. Nope but nice try at the straw man argument
     
  15. No. He said their politicization of it was their new hoax. Not the virus itself.

    It’s hard to take you seriously, as hard as I may try, when you come on here and spew outright mistruths in a cheap attempt to score points. Kind of like when you said he "pushed" people to inject Clorox. Another indisputable mistruth. You are not helping yourself.

     
  16. What do you mean, that's your guy's solution. Brilliant, huh?
     
  17. He got up, compared COVID to a hoax, and then talked about the possibility of injecting disinfectant inside his body.

    I know you are desperate to defend him, but if Bush, Obama, Clinton, or any other President did anything even close to that, they'd be ripped, and rightly so. The bar has been lowered so much by him it's unreal. He could shoot a man and you'd be finding ways to defend him still.
     
  18. I don't understand your point. Do you know what a straw man argument means?
     
  19. In fairness, I’m pretty sure Illini is not pro-Biden, but more of a Anybody but Trump Democrat. I am sure he’ll correct me if I’m wrong.
     

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