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Discussion in 'The Pit' started by Bob Sugar, Aug 11, 2020.
Bahahaha. Oh man. That’s the very definition of a conspiracy theory right there.
people are being played like a fiddle.
In Michigan lawsuit, Sidney Powell alleges poll workers altered large numbers of ballots
Poll workers 'illegally forged, added, removed or otherwise altered information on ballots,' suit alleges.
Patrick Byrne’s website
Election 2020 Was Rigged: The Evidence
November 24, 2020 4 min read
not a lawyer so i don't know the legal definition of evidence and certainly not a biden supporter, but that reads more like a series of events that converge at certain points in time and locations as well as a group of statistical improbabilities
open to consider if someone brings me actual evidence
Well, it’s not up to your or my consideration. It will have to be proven in a court of law. We’ll see.
Patrick Byrne is not a Trump supporter and he’s never voted for a Republican. He’s a Libertarian who claims he’s concerned that our elections are being tainted by these voting machines and he’s been funding an investigation into them for a couple of years.
I don’t know if he’s right or not (I hope he isn’t) but I think it should be thoroughly investigated and not just swept under the rug.
all fine and great, but i am still waiting for someone to provide the proof that seems to be key in this and that is the dominion machines were used to change votes.
not if they could be, but definitively that they were used to change votes
They’ll present the evidence they have in court.
all good then
So Byrne’s “The Evidence” is just more accusations?
that is what i got from reading it.
What he calls evidence appears to be some perspective on the voting machine topic that he is throwing in there. In these civil cases, the burden of proof is lower isn’t it? Seems like they need to convince a judge that there is a greater likelihood than not that enough fraud happened to change outcome. Still seems very difficult to me.
It's all over but the shouting, and the Trump fundraising, at this point
Smartmatic Fact-checked - Smartmatic
Ha. This is all many publications need to justify saying it’s been fact checked.
“The Dominion voting systems, the Smartmatic technology software and the software that goes in other computerized coding systems here as well, not just Dominion, were created in Venezuela at the direction of [former president] Hugo Chávez.” — Powell
Chávez has been dead for seven years, but he’s influencing the U.S. election from his grave? Seriously, the Trump attorneys are offering up a stew of misinformation derived mostly from Internet rumors and right-wing blogs.
Dominion Voting Systems, which makes software that local governments use to help run their elections, was founded in Canada but now effectively has its headquarters in Denver.
The company says it is nonpartisan. “Dominion has no company ownership relationships with any member of the Pelosi family, the Feinstein family, or the Clinton Global Initiative, Smartmatic, Scytl, or any ties to Venezuela,” the company says on a webpage debunking election rumors. “Dominion works with all political parties; our customer base and our government outreach practices reflect this nonpartisan approach.”
The company operates in 28 states, including Florida and Ohio, two states that Trump easily won. But the contracts are often with individual counties. For instance, Dominion software was used in only two of the five counties that had problems in Michigan and Georgia — and the problems in Michigan were due to human error, according to a detailed account posted by the Michigan secretary of state’s office. (The Trump campaign has requested a recount in Wisconsin, but strangely not in counties that used Dominion systems.)
Smartmatic, on its own fact-check page, also says this is crazy. Smartmatic, an election technology company, was founded and incorporated in the United States in 2000, inspired by the hanging-chad debate in the 2000 election. It is headquartered in London.
“Two of the founders, Antonio Mugica and Roger Piñate, continue to run the company as CEO and President, respectively,” the company says. “The majority of shares (83%) are held by SGO, a company owned by the Mugica and Piñate families. The remaining shares are held by employees (10%) and angel investors (7%).”
“Smartmatic’s software is not licensed or otherwise used by other companies,” the company says.
There is a long-ago corporate connection to Venezuela, according to news accounts in 2006. Smartmatic replaced Venezuela’s election machinery before a referendum that confirmed Chávez as president in August 2004, and the Venezuelan government made a $200,000 loan to another technology company owned by some of the same people as Smartmatic. With the money from its contracts with Venezuela, Smartmatic in 2005 bought Sequoia Voting Systems, which had contracts in 17 states. But it sold Sequoia in 2007 after an investigation was launched by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States into the company’s possible Venezuela ties. (Dominion eventually purchased assets of Sequoia in 2010, a company spokesperson said.)
In 2017, Smartmatic reported that the Venezuelan government had announced a false turnout figure for a contested election, adding at least 1 million votes to the number. The company said the absence of election monitors from the opposition — which boycotted the election — allowed for the manipulation of turnout figures. The Venezuelan government, which needed a large turnout figure to lend legitimacy to the election, denied the numbers had been manipulated. The company stopped its work in Venezuela in 2018.
“Our votes are counted in Germany and in Spain by a company owned by affiliates of Chávez and [current president Nicolás] Maduro. Did you ever believe that was true?”
It’s not true. Votes in U.S. elections are not counted in Germany and Spain.
“You couldn’t possibly believe that the company counting our vote, with control over our vote, is owned by two Venezuelans who were allies of Chávez, are present allies of Maduro, with a company whose chairman is a close associate and business partner of George Soros, the biggest donor to the Democrat Party, the biggest donor to antifa and the biggest donor to Black Lives Matter.”
More baseless insinuations. Mark Malloch-Brown is chairman of SGO, the parent company of Smartmatic. Malloch-Brown is also on the board of Soros’s Open Society Foundations, which makes grants to civil society groups such as Black Lives Matter. Soros is a billionaire backer of liberal causes but otherwise has no connection to Smartmatic. (Antifa, short for “anti-fascist,” is not an official organization and, thus, would not receive donations.)
“China also has a substantial presence in Venezuela and substantial interest in making sure that President Trump does not continue in office.”
This is how Powell slips in a Chinese connection, but it’s ridiculously weak, especially given the nonexistent connection between Venezuela and Dominion.
“That is true. [Reports that a server was seized in Germany.] It is somehow related to this, but I do not know whether good guys got or bad guys got it.”
Here, the Trump attorneys embrace an especially ridiculous claim, already debunked in numerous fact checks and flagged by Facebook as false. But it demonstrates how many of their claims are derived from blog posts or Internet posts — and how the Trump team is grasping at straws.
The story was that the U.S. Army raided the Spanish election software company Scytl in Germany and seized its servers for evidence of manipulation in the 2020 U.S. elections. But Scytl denounced it as “fake news,” noting that it has no offices in Germany. The Army denied it, too. The story was elevated after Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) said he was told there was “a tweet in German from Germany that the U.S. Army had gone in and seized the Syctl server,” and then Trump’s new favorite network, One America News, aired a report on the claim, claiming that the server would show that Trump actually won 410 electoral college votes, including turning California red.
The federal Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council Executive Committee and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council said in a joint statement that there is “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”
Chris Krebs, who headed the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency before being fired this week by Trump, tweeted after the news conference: “That news conference was the most dangerous 1hr 45 minutes of television in American history. And possibly the craziest. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you’re lucky.”
Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency - The Washington Post
The point wasn’t who’s telling the truth, the point was who gets to fact check themselves? What happened to independent investigative journalism?