COVID-19 Threads

[HFrog1999]

A few quick thoughts. First IFR is a very difficult measure to make since it is tough to come up with the denominator. There are lots of estimates out there and that article is on the low end. Second if a very large number (the entire population) is multiplied by a small percentage, you still end up a large number. And we saw this with mortality numbers for Covid in the pandemic where at about every age it was top 2-5 in cause of death. And that was with all the efforts to limit spread and improve immunity with the vaccine. The morbidity and mortality of a do nothing approach would be much greater.

I think one can make a solid argument that we should have had a less aggressive public health approach and for a shorter period. I don’t think there is a good argument that its morbidity was greatly exaggerated. This was a pandemic that needed some sort of public health strategy in its maiden voyage through the population.

People who are in power are in power because they crave it. They have a lust for power that’s only satisfied by controlling their fellow humans.

That’s why our constitution is written to limit that power

Any “emergency” is a perfect excuse for them to crush the freedoms they despise

Any politician/bureaucrat who pushed for or implemented business closures, lockdowns, church closures, travel restrictions, mask mandates, or vaccine mandates should be banned from holding office/removed from their jobs and have their wealth confiscated to compensate their victims

No forgiveness

 

[Dogfrog]

People who are in power are in power because they crave it. They have a lust for power that’s only satisfied by controlling their fellow humans.

That’s why our constitution is written to limit that power

Any “emergency” is a perfect excuse for them to crush the freedoms they despise

Any politician/bureaucrat who pushed for or implemented business closures, lockdowns, church closures, travel restrictions, mask mandates, or vaccine mandates should be banned from holding office/removed from their jobs and have their wealth confiscated to compensate their victims

No forgiveness

Can’t forget profit and politics as well.

 

[KillerFrog InD KitchenSink]

People who are in power are in power because they crave it. They have a lust for power that’s only satisfied by controlling their fellow humans.

That’s why our constitution is written to limit that power

Any “emergency” is a perfect excuse for them to crush the freedoms they despise

Any politician/bureaucrat who pushed for or implemented business closures, lockdowns, church closures, travel restrictions, mask mandates, or vaccine mandates should be banned from holding office/removed from their jobs and have their wealth confiscated to compensate their victims

No forgiveness

Yeah I definitely don’t agree with you here. I can appreciate the argument that the approach was wrong but I don’t buy that the motivation was to crush freedoms… just ‘cause people were in power, I guess? All across the world and political spectrum there was similar approaches and if anything the US ended up on the less intervention side. It was an earnest effort by those in power to protect the public from a public health threat that by any measure was a significant one.

 

[HFrog1999]

Yeah I definitely don’t agree with you here. I can appreciate the argument that the approach was wrong but I don’t buy that the motivation was to crush freedoms… just ‘cause people were in power, I guess? All across the world and political spectrum there was similar approaches and if anything the US ended up on the less intervention side. It was an earnest effort by those in power to protect the public from a public health threat that by any measure was a significant one.

Of course you don’t

Your career wasn’t destroyed, you didn’t lose your retirement or business, you didn’t get arrested for not wearing a mask. I’d wager you made more money during Covid

No forgiveness

Everyone responsible should suffer the same fate they imposed on others.

 

[Wexahu]

It was an earnest effort by those in power to protect the public from a public health threat that by any measure was a significant one.

Man, you are gullible.

 

[KillerFrog InD KitchenSink]

Of course you don’t

Your career wasn’t destroyed, you didn’t lose your retirement or business, you didn’t get arrested for not wearing a mask. I’d wager you made more money during Covid

No forgiveness

Everyone responsible should suffer the same fate they imposed on others.

Many of those unfortunate things happen in any pandemic response approach. Take the country with the least aggressive public health approach- Sweden, an approach I do agree was a better one. They recommended older people and people at risk for severe disease to stay home (among other strategies) and that of course impacts the economy since that is about 40% of the population. Plus the rest of the population greatly reduced their mobility because of their own concerns. Their GDP decrease ended up being basically the same as their neighbors. They had business closures, had to inject money to save others just like the rest of the world. IMO, Sweden shows that the economic shock was more due the virus itself, not to the response to the virus.

 

[Wexahu]

Many of those unfortunate things happen in any pandemic response approach. Take the country with the least aggressive public health approach- Sweden, an approach I do agree was a better one. They recommended older people and people at risk for severe disease to stay home (among other strategies) and that of course impacts the economy since that is about 40% of the population. Plus the rest of the population greatly reduced their mobility because of their own concerns. Their GDP decrease ended up being basically the same as their neighbors. They had business closures, had to inject money to save others just like the rest of the world. IMO, Sweden shows that the economic shock was more due the virus itself, not to the response to the virus.

Sweden's economy is MUCH more dependent on foreign trade than ours is. Imports/exports account for about 87% of its GDP compared to about 25% of the USA's GDP. Comparing apples to oranges.

The argument that we needed to shut down businesses (or greatly limit how they operate) because of COVID but even if we didn't shut them down things wouldn't have been much different economically is about as dumb as it gets.

 

[KillerFrog InD KitchenSink]

Sweden's economy is MUCH more dependent on foreign trade than ours is. Imports/exports account for about 87% of its GDP compared to about 25% of the USA's GDP. Comparing apples to oranges.

The argument that we needed to shut down businesses (or greatly limit how they operate) because of COVID but even if we didn't shut them down things wouldn't have been much different economically is about as dumb as it gets.

You don’t think telling 40% of the country to stay home and the other 60% made signiicant behavior change based on mobility studies didn’t have an effect on the economy? Or the travel restrictions? ’m on board that a Swedish approach to as probably better, but it still would have a profound impact on the economy. Remember the vast majoryof the economic damage happened those first two quarters. If you think a Kevin Bacon “all is well” response would have gone over as the virus spread would have flied, you’re fooling yourself. After NYC and Italy behavior was going to change regardless of lockdowns or public health messaging.

Back to the game!

 

[Frog79]

Many of those unfortunate things happen in any pandemic response approach. Take the country with the least aggressive public health approach- Sweden, an approach I do agree was a better one. They recommended older people and people at risk for severe disease to stay home (among other strategies) and that of course impacts the economy since that is about 40% of the population. Plus the rest of the population greatly reduced their mobility because of their own concerns. Their GDP decrease ended up being basically the same as their neighbors. They had business closures, had to inject money to save others just like the rest of the world. IMO, Sweden shows that the economic shock was more due the virus itself, not to the response to the virus.

That's nonsense. If the pandemic response had been like any other in history the economic effects would have been minor if any. Sweden and other more reasonable economies were trashed due to the rest of the world shutting down which had far reaching effects on travel, tourism, trade, supply chain, etc.

I am old enough to remember the last pandemic in the late 60's. We were barely aware of anything worse than a bad flu season, much like Covid, but we led our lives pretty normally and were not restricted and shut down by governments and did not have deadly and ineffective gene therapy "vaccines" forced upon us.

There was absolutely no reason for any of the economic and personal devastation caused by panicky government Covid policies.

 

[Frog79]

Amazing what lengths these criminal companies will go to to combat "misinformation" - i.e. the truth - about their totally ineffective and deadly experimental "vaccines":

Moderna is spying on you

New documents reveal its attempts to control the vaccine debate

unherd.com

 

[Frog79]

Hopefully the first of many lawsuits to come for withholding proven potentially life-saving medication:

 

[Frog79]

Looks like Texas, Missouri, and maybe others are going after Pfizer for fraud and misrepresentation of data regarding their ineffective and dangerous Covid gene therapy "vaccine":

 

[Frog79]

Turbo cancers are occurring at alarming rates in young people following rollout of the mRNA gene therapy products:

New Report: Young People Dying of Cancer at ‘Explosive’ Rates, UK Government Data Show

An analysis of U.K. government data shows an unprecedented increase in cancer deaths among 15- to 44-year-olds following the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines, according to a new report by data analyst Edward Dowd. The report has prompted renewed calls for further investigation.

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[Sweat Equity]

 

[HFrog1999]

The Covid hysteria and resulting tyranny has to be one of the greatest crimes against humanity in recent memory

 

[Frog79]

The Covid hysteria and resulting tyranny has to be one of the greatest crimes against humanity in recent memory

I think the covid death count was inflated way more than a third. A lot of it had to do with a new directive to count Covid as the primary cause of death when clearly it wasn't like my friend's husband who died in a car crash and was perfectly healthy a month after testing positive for Covid.

 

[Michael Milton's Jaw]

Just remember it was called “global warming” before they changed the name to “climate change”. I guess when “the pause” started in 1998 and the planet inexplicably stopped warming, they decided to change the name to keep momentum going. I think the pause lasted until 2012 but it is hilarious to now see how they have tried to white wash The Pause. Just like COVID, they are playing to the sheep who cannot be distracted from their screens.

 

[Frog79]

Just remember it was called “global warming” before they changed the name to “climate change”. I guess when “the pause” started in 1998 and the planet inexplicably stopped warming, they decided to change the name to keep momentum going. I think the pause lasted until 2012 but it is hilarious to now see how they have tried to white wash The Pause. Just like COVID, they are playing to the sheep who cannot be distracted from their screens.

The climate "science" mantra in the 70's was that we were moving into a devastating ice age and that we would starve to death because it would be too cold for crops to grow. It was moronic then and the global warming nonsense currently being spewed is just as moronic.

 

[Michael Milton's Jaw]

The climate "science" mantra in the 70's was that we were moving into a devastating ice age and that we would starve to death because it would be too cold for crops to grow. It was moronic then and the global warming nonsense currently being spewed is just as moronic.

The father of the global warming theory was a guy that made all his money from the government studying radioactive fallout from nuclear testing in the 1950’s and early 1960’s. When the nuclear test ban treaty was signed, he needed a new way to get government grants. After he got snubbed for the chancellorship at UCSD, he went to Harvard and one of his students was Al Gore.

 

[HFrog1999]

These people will never stop

A Covid Story

How my entire extended family got Covid even when Covid is "over."

www.okdoomer.io