COVID-19 Threads

[KillerFrog InD KitchenSink]

And overuse of antibiotics to treat things that aren't a real risk can decrease the effectiveness of those drugs. But that's not what I'm talking about at all so I'll ignore your squirrel.

The media and government overemphasized the rare bad results seen in healthy people, which was deceptive.

That deceit has caused mistrust of government and the media, to everyone's detriment.

Gosh I just have to disagree with your contention that the media overemphasized to the very bad outcomes. But that opinion does show my bias as my work environment saw those bad outcomes. When you see someone who could have benefitted from the vaccine or early intervention with the monoclonals (pre-omicron) or with paxlovid but didn’t because they were told that “the virus was no big deal, and the media is overreacting” you are going to have a different perspective. From my perspective, in retrospect that was a way more dangerous message, as that message probably resulted in many unnecessary cases of severe illness and deaths during the pandemic.

Edit m- Just one aside comment wrt your comment on antibiotics and strep. Treating strep with antibiotics is exactly why we don’t want to overuse them in other situations. We want them to maintain their effectiveness so that in diseases with serious sequelae like strep they prevent those sequelae.

 

[Eight]

I think you are throwing the baby out with the bath water, yes. Just because there are legit debates about what variables to include and how to weigh them doesn’t mean that you throw the whole thing out.

your credibility tends to go to [ Finebaum ] when you have a history of lying and manipulating the set up of the scientific process so that you can "generate the desired outcome" so you can knowingly lie to the general population so that the outcome you desire can be forced upon them

 

[CountryFrog]

your credibility tends to go to [ Finebaum ] when you have a history of lying and manipulating the set up of the scientific process so that you can "generate the desired outcome" so you can knowingly lie to the general population so that the outcome you desire can be forced upon them

But don't you think there should be a legit debate over whether or not to include the variable of lying out of one's arse? I mean sure there was a lot of dishonesty but sometimes that's just part of the process when dealing with The Science.

 

[Eight]

But don't you think there should be a legit debate over whether or not to include the variable of lying out of one's arse? I mean sure there was a lot of dishonesty but sometimes that's just part of the process when dealing with The Science.

you a divorce lawyer or an m&a banker country?

 

[Eight]

offer this recent article from the guardian concerning two high schoolers from new orleans who presented proof of the pythagorean theorem.

linked below is the article from the guardian and i specifically point to these comments about the claim:

"Catherine Roberts, executive director for the American Mathematical Society, said she encouraged the St Mary’s students to see about getting their work examined by a peer-reviewed journal, even at their relatively young age.

“Members of our community can examine their results to determine whether their proof is a correct contribution to the mathematics literature,” said Roberts, whose group hosts scientific meetings and publishes research journals. "

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/24/new-orleans-pythagoras-theorem-trigonometry-prove
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hmmm...true intellectual review of work by peers and the girls actually presented their work and simply didn't write it up or have it announced by the media as accurate and something that must be heeded or the human race face dire consequences

then again, that might be the nihilists in me speaking

 

[HFrog1999]

 

[Bob Sugar]

We do things to further reduce risk of rare events all the time. Just to illustrate using your “walking across the street” example. If you cross in the middle of the road you will be fine most of the time. But we put in cross walks and look both ways to prevent the rare bad outcomes from occurring. In medicine we use antibiotics to treat strep- not because of the strep throat but to decrease the rare complications of rheumatic heart disease and post strep glomerulonephritis. Both of those are extremely rare but we treat anyway to reduce the risk of the rare sequelae. So I don’t see the rationale of not doing something to reduce the risk of a bad outcome just because it is unlikely.

Yeah, but if you come up with a fancy chart, like this, for crossing the street, you can justify closing the street in its entirety for months.

LOL, 3 months of "Texas style lockdowns" was going to overwhelm the Texas hospitals on 4/28/2020. Basically, their models were [ Finebaum ]. As of 3/26/20-freaking-23, Tarrant County is at 6,410 people who died with COVID.

 

[froginmn]

Gosh I just have to disagree with your contention that the media overemphasized to the very bad outcomes. But that opinion does show my bias as my work environment saw those bad outcomes. When you see someone who could have benefitted from the vaccine or early intervention with the monoclonals (pre-omicron) or with paxlovid but didn’t because they were told that “the virus was no big deal, and the media is overreacting” you are going to have a different perspective.

And when you know a 22 year old who suffered from myocarditis as well as three others who were otherwise healthy and experienced bad outcomes immediately after vaccination you are also going to have a different perspective.

But let's just stick to facts: in three years there have been fewer than 1,500 people under eighteen said to have died from COVID-19. The government hasn't classified that data to let us know how many of those were overweight or had other comorbidities but even if it were none those numbers don't argue strongly for disrupting lives and having kids stay home, undertaking severe measures, etc.

I specifically recall sensationalized stories about "a 40 year old otherwise healthy guy is experiencing bad symptoms". Yes, I believe that the media overemphasized those type of things. You're free to disagree.

 

[Frog79]

if faulty assumptions are used in the creation of the models does it really matter how many tables, charts, vin diagrams are included because faulty assumptions result in faulty results

then again, that could just be a wild arse assumption on my fault because it is not like any of those individuals listed in the study have had any recent models they created in which they used faulty assumptions that skewed the results of the model, PLUS even if that happened again we all know the editorial of the lancet are reknowned for calling [ deposit from a bull that looks like Art Briles ] on speculative and erroneous studies and theories

The Covidians have zero hard empiric data that the Covid "vaccines" offer any overall health benefit so they resort to horribly confusing models with plenty of sketchy assumptions to make their case. Garbage in, garbage out.

And when you know a 22 year old who suffered from myocarditis as well as three others who were otherwise healthy and experienced bad outcomes immediately after vaccination you are also going to have a different perspective.

But let's just stick to facts: in three years there have been fewer than 1,500 people under eighteen said to have died from COVID-19. The government hasn't classified that data to let us know how many of those were overweight or had other comorbidities but even if it were none those numbers don't argue strongly for disrupting lives and having kids stay home, undertaking severe measures, etc.

I specifically recall sensationalized stories about "a 40 year old otherwise healthy guy is experiencing bad symptoms". Yes, I believe that the media overemphasized those type of things. You're free to disagree.

I don't know of any healthy children who died of Covid. The vast majority, if not all, had severe comorbidities. Healthy children are at essentially zero risk and it is malpractice to give them a dangerous Covid "vaccine".

 

[Eight]

Yeah, but if you come up with a fancy chart, like this, for crossing the street, you can justify closing the street in its entirety for months.

LOL, 3 months of "Texas style lockdowns" was going to overwhelm the Texas hospitals on 4/28/2020. Basically, their models were [ Finebaum ]. As of 3/26/20-freaking-23, Tarrant County is at 6,410 people who died with COVID.

 

[HFrog1999]

The Covidians have zero hard empiric data that the Covid "vaccines" offer any overall health benefit so they resort to horribly confusing models with plenty of sketchy assumptions to make their case. Garbage in, garbage out.

I don't know of any healthy children who died of Covid. The vast majority, if not all, had severe comorbidities. Healthy children are at essentially zero risk and it is malpractice to give them a dangerous Covid "vaccine".

I don’t know of any unhealthy Senior Citizens who died from Covid. I know several who got Covid and told me it wasn’t that big of a deal. I also know several who had bad reactions to vaccines.

 

[Frog79]

I don’t know of any unhealthy Senior Citizens who died from Covid. I know several who got Covid and told me it wasn’t that big of a deal. I also know several who had bad reactions to vaccines.

I personally don’t know anyone who died or was seriously harmed by Covid. On the other hand, the Covid “vaccine“ likely killed my brother, caused severe tinnitus in my best friend, and caused a nasty shingles outbreak in my 30 year old nephew. All of these people were very healthy before they got jabbed.

I also know of several people who got way sicker from the “vaccine” than they did from actual Covid itself which of course they are more likely to get because they got jabbed. In fact, the only people I know who have gotten Covid more than once are those who got the “vaccine“.

At this point anybody who gets one of these shots needs to have their head examined. They make you more likely to get sick, injured, or killed, all in a futile attempt to protect you from what is not much more than a cold.

 

[KillerFrog InD KitchenSink]

And when you know a 22 year old who suffered from myocarditis as well as three others who were otherwise healthy and experienced bad outcomes immediately after vaccination you are also going to have a different perspective.

But let's just stick to facts: in three years there have been fewer than 1,500 people under eighteen said to have died from COVID-19. The government hasn't classified that data to let us know how many of those were overweight or had other comorbidities but even if it were none those numbers don't argue strongly for disrupting lives and having kids stay home, undertaking severe measures, etc.

I specifically recall sensationalized stories about "a 40 year old otherwise healthy guy is experiencing bad symptoms". Yes, I believe that the media overemphasized those type of things. You're free to disagree.

Appreciate that and I will say that I do understand the opposite perspective (and ironically have found myself arguing the opposite perspective in meetings where I think our response/rules on a micro level has been an overreaction relative to the risk- much to the chagrin of the true believer infection prevention folks). The reality is that when weighing public health measures that attempt to decrease morbidity and mortality but have a negative impact on day to day life, it is going to be controversial as where the intervention "dial" is set at- there just isn't a setting where everyone is going to be satisfied. Those that experience the negative disease outcomes are going to think we didn't turn it far enough to the right. Those that mainly experience the inconveniences are going to think we turned it too far.

 

[HFrog1999]

Yeah, but if you come up with a fancy chart, like this, for crossing the street, you can justify closing the street in its entirety for months.

LOL, 3 months of "Texas style lockdowns" was going to overwhelm the Texas hospitals on 4/28/2020. Basically, their models were [ Finebaum ]. As of 3/26/20-freaking-23, Tarrant County is at 6,410 people who died with COVID.

Thanks for finding this. This was the Chart that the idiot Clay Jenkins used to justify his ridiculous policies. So many morons fell for this. Even though it's obvious what a ridiculous lie this was, he still got reelected.

 

[HFrog1999]

 

[HFrog1999]

My vaccinated & boosted assistant is out sick, again today

‘These Numbers Look Horrific’: Work Absence Rates Are Off the Charts — And It’s Only Gotten Worse

“Something’s going on with our workforce that we’ve never seen before. And it’s gone so far above trend — it’s a health concern.”

dailyclout.io

 

[HFrog1999]

Bombshell Vax Analysis Finds $147 Billion In Economic Damage, Tens Of Millions Injured Or Disabled | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Frog79]

My vaccinated & boosted assistant is out sick, again today

‘These Numbers Look Horrific’: Work Absence Rates Are Off the Charts — And It’s Only Gotten Worse

“Something’s going on with our workforce that we’ve never seen before. And it’s gone so far above trend — it’s a health concern.”

dailyclout.io

Do they have any clue that the clot shot makes them 2-4X more likely to catch Covid than if they were purebloods?

The charts that Ed Dowd shows are staggering and anybody who doesn’t think that the Covid “vaccines” are responsible for the huge increase in work absences truly has their head stuck where the sun don’t shine. I’m sure somebody here will dig up some sort of bogus modeling study not based on real data that proves me wrong however, lol

 

[HFrog1999]

 

[An-Cap Frog]