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CountryFrog

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The data does support that natural immunity is effective, but the problem is to get to natural immunity you have to roll the dice with a primary infection for which morbidity and mortality was so much higher in the unvaccinated.
Hilarious use of "roll the dice." The only people rolling the dice are people who were already very unhealthy and for those people waking up in the morning is rolling the dice.
 

Frog79

Active Member
Hilarious use of "roll the dice." The only people rolling the dice are people who were already very unhealthy and for those people waking up in the morning is rolling the dice.
I would submit that easily the more dangerous "roll of the dice" was in taking an experimental gene therapy jab that has zero long term safety data and short term causes 7.7% of its recipients to seek medical care (including hospitalization) and causes 25% to be sick enough to miss school or work. Oh and don't forget that the roll-of-the-dice jab actually makes you more likely to get infected with Covid and has caused innumerable deaths. Looks like a lose-lose situation to me.
 
Hilarious use of "roll the dice." The only people rolling the dice are people who were already very unhealthy and for those people waking up in the morning is rolling the dice.
I know I'm not saying anything you don't know but truth is we are all rolling the dice every day. There are some things we can do to increase the number of sides of the dice. Some things add only a few more sides and others add a lot. IMO, during the pandemic the vaccine added a lot. Those that primed their immune system at a much lower chance of rolling their "number" than those that didn't.

This is an aside but interesting article in JAMA that came out today.


It looked at excess mortality among physicians during the pandemic. Physicians had excess deaths early in the pandemic, but once vaccines were available, no longer had excess deaths, even though obviously they have more exposure than the general population. Also active physicians had lower excess death than non=active physicians. The authors attribute the low excess death to ppe use, vaccine requirements, infection prevention, etc. I think that is a supposition on the authors part, but I do think it is an interesting study. Physicians obviously had more workplace exposure during the pandemic that general population, yet had no excess deaths after the vaccine was introduced. Physicians have one of the highest vaccination rates of any profession.

Discussion
From March 2020 through December 2021, US physicians experienced 622 more deaths than expected. There were no excess deaths among physicians after April 2021, coinciding with the widespread availability of COVID-19 vaccines. Across age groups, physicians had substantially lower excess mortality than the general population; however, active physicians had lower excess mortality than nonactive physicians despite their higher risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 infection.4 The findings suggest that personal protective equipment use, vaccine requirements, infection prevention protocols, adequate staffing, and other workplace-based protective measures were effective in preventing excess mortality. Additionally, increased excess deaths among older active physicians providing direct patient care suggest that workplace policies should prioritize mitigating risk in this group.
 

TxFrog1999

The Man Behind The Curtain
It looked at excess mortality among physicians during the pandemic. Physicians had excess deaths early in the pandemic, but once vaccines were available, no longer had excess deaths, even though obviously they have more exposure than the general population. Also active physicians had lower excess death than non=active physicians. The authors attribute the low excess death to ppe use, vaccine requirements, infection prevention, etc. I think that is a supposition on the authors part, but I do think it is an interesting study. Physicians obviously had more workplace exposure during the pandemic that general population, yet had no excess deaths after the vaccine was introduced. Physicians have one of the highest vaccination rates of any profession.
A lot of assumptions going on there...
 

Frog79

Active Member
A lot of assumptions going on there...
The numerous unfounded assumptions are the only thing that the vax apologists have going for them. The data certainly doesn’t support their case. They have been wrong about so many things and they are getting desperate as is evidedent by the absurd junk science article referenced above.
 

Bob Sugar

Active Member
I know I'm not saying anything you don't know but truth is we are all rolling the dice every day. There are some things we can do to increase the number of sides of the dice. Some things add only a few more sides and others add a lot. IMO, during the pandemic the vaccine added a lot. Those that primed their immune system at a much lower chance of rolling their "number" than those that didn't.

This is an aside but interesting article in JAMA that came out today.


It looked at excess mortality among physicians during the pandemic. Physicians had excess deaths early in the pandemic, but once vaccines were available, no longer had excess deaths, even though obviously they have more exposure than the general population. Also active physicians had lower excess death than non=active physicians. The authors attribute the low excess death to ppe use, vaccine requirements, infection prevention, etc. I think that is a supposition on the authors part, but I do think it is an interesting study. Physicians obviously had more workplace exposure during the pandemic that general population, yet had no excess deaths after the vaccine was introduced. Physicians have one of the highest vaccination rates of any profession.

Discussion
From March 2020 through December 2021, US physicians experienced 622 more deaths than expected. There were no excess deaths among physicians after April 2021, coinciding with the widespread availability of COVID-19 vaccines. Across age groups, physicians had substantially lower excess mortality than the general population; however, active physicians had lower excess mortality than nonactive physicians despite their higher risk of contracting SARS-CoV-2 infection.4 The findings suggest that personal protective equipment use, vaccine requirements, infection prevention protocols, adequate staffing, and other workplace-based protective measures were effective in preventing excess mortality. Additionally, increased excess deaths among older active physicians providing direct patient care suggest that workplace policies should prioritize mitigating risk in this group.
Rolling the dice every day!?! You act like it’s March 2020 and people believe that COVID kills like 5% of everyone who gets it. The risks associated with COVID, even going back 3 years, are minuscule compared to the risks we face in every day life. If you are scared of COVID, you should probably never ride in an automobile again.
 

Eight

Member
Rolling the dice every day!?! You act like it’s March 2020 and people believe that COVID kills like 5% of everyone who gets it. The risks associated with COVID, even going back 3 years, are minuscule compared to the risks we face in every day life. If you are scared of COVID, you should probably never ride in an automobile again.

riding in a car? heck, if someone works in a hospital they are exposed to things more dangerous than covid each day
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Rolling the dice every day!?! You act like it’s March 2020 and people believe that COVID kills like 5% of everyone who gets it. The risks associated with COVID, even going back 3 years, are minuscule compared to the risks we face in every day life. If you are scared of COVID, you should probably never ride in an automobile again.
As an only once vaccinated and never boosted middle-aged male who refuses to mask up, I feel like I'm living on the edge every minute of every day. It's almost like another form of Russian Roulette, only in this game of chance when you do get shot you go rest for awhile and you've got like a 99.96% chance of being completely unaffected a week later. It really is an adrenaline rush.
 

AroundWorldFrog

Full Member
As an only once vaccinated and never boosted middle-aged male who refuses to mask up, I feel like I'm living on the edge every minute of every day. It's almost like another form of Russian Roulette, only in this game of chance when you do get shot you go rest for awhile and you've got like a 99.96% chance of being completely unaffected a week later. It really is an adrenaline rush.
Murderer. Think of all the vaxxed you're killing everyday!
 

Frog79

Active Member
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Woke democrats - they are the party of science!

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Rolling the dice every day!?! You act like it’s March 2020 and people believe that COVID kills like 5% of everyone who gets it. The risks associated with COVID, even going back 3 years, are minuscule compared to the risks we face in every day life. If you are scared of COVID, you should probably never ride in an automobile again.
Sorry, I think you misunderstood the more general “rolling the dice” analogy I was going for in that comment. I was referring to the risk that we roll the wrong number with whatever we are doing every day and the things we do to mitigate that risk. As an example, I just got through skiing at Deer Valley. I could have been the 0.0001 or whatever of skiers that die on the slopes. Didn’t roll my number today. But I did increase the number of sides of the dice by wearing a helmet!
 
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riding in a car? heck, if someone works in a hospital they are exposed to things more dangerous than covid each day
Yes, agree. There are lots of risks we take every day and we all do things to mitigate those risks. People try to reduce risk all the time (like wearing a seatbelt in a car or wearing masks and gloves in the hospital when treating patients with infectious diseases). Not sure why the things we did to mitigate risk with Covid are looked down on so much.
 
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