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College Football Playoff Ranking

FrogBall09

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USC 55
OU 19
2005 BCS championship game
and? I guess you missed the dozen times since then OU made the CFP/NY6 bowl since then showing that beating was an anomaly? if we had not sucked since the NC game and had actually made it to the CFP since then - people would have a different view. But since we have been on a downhill slide, we have justified the belief we didn't belong.
 
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Wexahu

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well we will never know since we got beat like no team had ever been beaten in the championship game and then tied for the worst record ever in the following year for a team that made the NC game....so basically we could not have screwed it up anymore than we did.
Well, Michigan State made the CFP, got blown out 38-0 by Alabama, and then went 3-9 the next year. Is that better?

If only we had not beat Michigan…..

Oh and [ Finebaum ]ting the bed in ‘16 by going 6-7 kinda killed all the momentum from the Boykin teams. It happens.
 

FrogBall09

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Well, Michigan State made the CFP, got blown out 38-0 by Alabama, and then went 3-9 the next year. Is that better?

If only we had not beat Michigan…..

Oh and [ Finebaum ]ting the bed in ‘16 by going 6-7 kinda killed all the momentum from the Boykin teams. It happens.
so the fact that Michigan state is also irrelevant makes TCU and Dykes failure ok? man what a scheissing loser you really are evidently - "at least others suck also" - that your life motto?

And yeah - 16 did suck the wind out of the sails from the Peach Bowl year - but GP managed to recover to 11-3.... let me know when Dykes makes that happen

then he lost it again and never got it back - and got fired. Which scenario is Dykes?

You continue to ignore that GP was really never 9-4, he NEVER won 9 games in a year (he did win 8 once I think) - but really he was either won 10+ or went something around 5-7 for the most part - it was a rollercoaster and a ton of fun even when we were down because he had the ability to make us relevant again the next year.

And when he was unable to recover from the fall - we fired him.

Dykes is about exciting as the highway to Lubbock - and unable to recover. Time for him to hit the road.
 
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NovaScotiaFrog

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not many - how many did we? are you seriously trying to act like the college football perception of OU is not 10x better than that of TCU?

I guess I missed our SEC invite...
We are 1-1, Oklahoma is 0-4. I think our perception purely in terms of CFP is stronger. It's not like we've been jumped for at-large bids like we were in years passed, we just haven't been good enough to earn one.

Oklahoma didn't an SEC invite get based on their CFP history anymore than Texas did with their 0 invites, not sure what you're on about there. Conference invites usually have very little to do with on field performance, you know this. If they did then Boise would be in the Big 10 or Big 12 and Rutgers would be in the MAC.
 
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FrogBall09

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We are 1-1, Oklahoma is 0-4. I think our perception purely in terms of CFP is stronger. It's not like we've been jumped for at-large bids like we were in years passed, we just haven't been good enough to earn one.

Oklahoma didn't an SEC invite get based on their CFP history anymore than Texas did with their 0 invites, not sure what you're on about there. Conference invites usually have very little to do with on field performance, you know this. If they did then Boise would be in the Big 10 or Big 12 and Rutgers would be in the MAC.
then you don't know [ Finebaum ] about college football if you think anyone on the planet not a Frog thinks anything about our football program is stronger than OU....plain and simple.

and again - their "bad loss" was not followed by irrelevance - they just came back and won 10+ games most years for two decades....we didn't
 

Fosterpark Squatter

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You never know. We’d be saying the same thing about the 2022 team if they somehow were left out of the playoff. In hindsight it would have been better to lose a close game to Michigan.

Always easier to say what would have happened if you only got a chance to play a team than to actually have to play them. I bet we are undefeated in those hypothetical matchups.
Idk I like having the Fiesta Bowl trophy and being the only TX and B12 school to win a semi.
 

Dr. Coach Haus

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Yes, it was not good. But the only "outsiders" or non-blue bloods or whatever you want to call them to make the playoffs in the 4-team format were Washington, MIchigan State, Cincinnati and TCU.

Cincinnati made the CFP in '21 and then went 9-4 and 3-9
Michigan St. made the CFP in '15, got blown out by Alabama, and went 3-9 the next year
Washington made it in '16 and had a few decent years but never threatened to go back and then had a 3-year stretch where they went 15-14.

That's kinda my point. Making the CFP doesn't really catapult a program to a new level, teams generally just revert back to their norm pretty quickly. Would we have been better off going 9-3 in 2022?
I think obviously not better going 9-3. We would still be here in this disappointing season but Sonny would not have had the contract extension. I agree with you in other points. I loved beating Michigan. I loved that we went to the national championship. After 2014, I never thought they would allow it.
 

Wexahu

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I think obviously not better going 9-3. We would still be here in this disappointing season but Sonny would not have had the contract extension. I agree with you in other points. I loved beating Michigan. I loved that we went to the national championship. After 2014, I never thought they would allow it.
Too much is being made of the contract extension. He's like the 30th highest paid coach in the country (despite a NCG appearance), and he's only under contract for 3 more years.
 

Dr. Coach Haus

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Too much is being made of the contract extension. He's like the 30th highest paid coach in the country (despite a NCG appearance), and he's only under contract for 3 more years.
I am thinking more in years than in money. He would be closer to the end of the current contract and easier to pull the trigger.
If he went your hypothetical 9-3, I don't think he gets that contract extension, time wise.
 

Wexahu

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I am thinking more in years than in money. He would be closer to the end of the current contract and easier to pull the trigger.
OK, but that's easier said than done. The lame duck coach thing, unless you just want to set your coach up to fail. If money is that much of an issue, we are probably playing in the wrong pool, because in the pay for play era it's all about money and how much you have. You can have the greatest coach in the world but if you can't then go buy players, he is not going to win much. Texas Tech didn't get good by hiring the right guy and coaching 'em up.

Three more years left on a deal is nothing in the world of college football. Brian Kelly had six years left on his.
 

Wexahu

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I am thinking more in years than in money. He would be closer to the end of the current contract and easier to pull the trigger.
If he went your hypothetical 9-3, I don't think he gets that contract extension, time wise.

Luke Fickell is signed through 2032 (but after 2029 his buyout is only $6.5M)
Mike Norvell is signed though 2031 and has a current $53M buyout
Venables is signed through 2029 @ $8.5-9/year
Aranda is signed through 2029 @ $4.7M
Mark Stoops is signed through 2031 @ $9M/year. Has a current buyout of $38M.
Lincoln Riley is signed through 2031 @ $11M/year. Reported buyout of around $90M.

Relative to these, Dykes contract situation shouldn't be an issue at all. And relative to those coaches performance, he's been a bargain. This is the competition if we want to be a big-time football program. Florida owes Napier about $21M, he was signed through 2028 like Dykes.
 

Mean Purple

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Yes, it was not good. But the only "outsiders" or non-blue bloods or whatever you want to call them to make the playoffs in the 4-team format were Washington, MIchigan State, Cincinnati and TCU.

Cincinnati made the CFP in '21 and then went 9-4 and 3-9
Michigan St. made the CFP in '15, got blown out by Alabama, and went 3-9 the next year
Washington made it in '16 and had a few decent years but never threatened to go back and then had a 3-year stretch where they went 15-14.

That's kinda my point. Making the CFP doesn't really catapult a program to a new level, teams generally just revert back to their norm pretty quickly. Would we have been better off going 9-3 in 2022?
mainly because teams that tend to make that, with the exception of Ohio State, Bama and Georgia, are usually there in part due to a fairly Senior laden team. The big trio can do that, because they have 4 stars on the 3 deep and don't tend to lose so much each year.

I section Auburn out of that equation. Their seasons are just plain bi-polar.
 
so the fact that Michigan state is also irrelevant makes TCU and Dykes failure ok? man what a scheissing loser you really are evidently - "at least others suck also" - that your life motto?

And yeah - 16 did suck the wind out of the sails from the Peach Bowl year - but GP managed to recover to 11-3.... let me know when Dykes makes that happen

then he lost it again and never got it back - and got fired. Which scenario is Dykes?

You continue to ignore that GP was really never 9-4, he NEVER won 9 games in a year (he did win 8 once I think) - but really he was either won 10+ or went something around 5-7 for the most part - it was a rollercoaster and a ton of fun even when we were down because he had the ability to make us relevant again the next year.

And when he was unable to recover from the fall - we fired him.

Dykes is about exciting as the highway to Lubbock - and unable to recover. Time for him to hit the road.
The fans always had hope that when GP was the coach, he'd get us into the top 10 or top 5 in the near future. He delivered many times. When he stopped delivering, he was shown the door in an ignominious way.

I don't think many fans have hope that Sonny can ever do that. I just can't feel it. The landscape has changed, but we also don't have to beat OU and Texas to get to 11-1 or 12-0.
 

Wexahu

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The fans always had hope that when GP was the coach, he'd get us into the top 10 or top 5 in the near future. He delivered many times. When he stopped delivering, he was shown the door in an ignominious way.

I don't think many fans have hope that Sonny can ever do that. I just can't feel it. The landscape has changed, but we also don't have to beat OU and Texas to get to 11-1 or 12-0.
It's not like just as soon as GP started losing we got rid of him. He was 38-32 overall/24-26 B12 over the last six years of his tenure. That's a pretty damn long rope if 10-win seasons are the standard. As for the ignominious way he was let go, if the guy refuses to make changes on his staff, and refuses to step down when he's asked to, what are you supposed to do? Dykes may indeed need to go soon, but this "accepting mediocrity" bit 09 has going is dumb. If he can show me some posts from 2020 or 2021 where he is demanding we get rid of GP, I'll take him at his word that he just won't "accept mediocrity".

As for the current B12, this isn't the old MWC. Not even close. Every program in this league is better than at least half of the old MWC.
 
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