College Football Playoff Ranking

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

ESPN’s First Take debated whether the SEC should have six teams in the playoff, which would include #3 Aggie, #10 Horns and #11 Sooners with #4 Alabama, #5 Georgia and #7 Ole Miss.

Stephen A used the TCU/Georgia matchup as something we don’t want - Frogs stained by that loss and I don’t think TCU will get another chance to redeem that stink. 2014 was the team that could have elevated TCU to nationwide respect - a huge lost opportunity.

 

[Wexahu]

ESPN First Take was debating whether the SEC should have six teams in, which would include Aggie, Horns and Sooners.

Stephen A used the TCU Georgia matchup as something we don’t want - Frogs stained by that loss and I don’t think TCU will get another chance to redeem that stink. 2014 was the team that could have elevated TCU to nationwide respect - such a huge lost opportunity.

You never know. We’d be saying the same thing about the 2022 team if they somehow were left out of the playoff. In hindsight it would have been better to lose a close game to Michigan.

Always easier to say what would have happened if you only got a chance to play a team than to actually have to play them. I bet we are undefeated in those hypothetical matchups.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

You never know. We’d be saying the same thing about the 2022 team if they somehow were left out of the playoff. In hindsight it would have better to lose a close game to Michigan.

Always easier to say what would have happened if you only got a chance to play a team than to actually have to play them. I bet we are undefeated in those hypothetical matchups.

I would not have been. I never felt the 2022 team was elite - it lacked defense. 2014 was complete with playmakers on defense, special teams and offense. And that is what I was telling friends before the 2022 playoff, expecting to lose in 2022.

 

[Wexahu]

i don’t think I would have been. I never felt the 2022 team was elite - it lacked defense. 2014 was complete with playmakers on defense special teams and offense.

After the fact it seems so, yes. It sure didn’t seem we lacked defense after the UT game in 2022. That Georgia game changed a lot of opinions that would have never changed had we not played it.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

After the fact it seems so, yes. It sure didn’t seem we lacked defense after the UT game in 2022. That Georgia game changed a lot of opinions that would have never changed had we not played it.

I added to my last post, above - it was not “after the fact.” I never felt the 2022 team was that good - complete - appears you did, and that surprises me.

 

[FrogBall09]

ESPN’s First Take debated whether the SEC should have six teams in the playoff, which would include #3 Aggie, #10 Horns and #11 Sooners with #4 Alabama, #5 Georgia and #7 Ole Miss.

Stephen A used the TCU/Georgia matchup as something we don’t want - Frogs stained by that loss and I don’t think TCU will get another chance to redeem that stink. 2014 was the team that could have elevated TCU to nationwide respect - a huge lost opportunity.

Newt Gingrich was once asked why he never tried to run for President after his short-lived attempt in 2011.

His reply was basically that he realized if you get really close to the prize but lose in an extreme fashion - your fall will be below your position before you ran and you will never recover because of the perception that you are a "loser"....

I have said it before - but getting the NC game and being humiliated in the game will be the worst thing to happen to TCU football since we turned ourselves in under Wacker - because of the incorrect perception we didn't deserve to be there and our programs decisions (or lack of) and failure to execute after....the higher you fly, the farther you have to fall if you let it happen

 

[tcudoc]

Newt Gingrich was once asked why he never tried to run for President after his short-lived attempt in 2011.

His reply was basically that he realized if you get really close to the prize but lose - your fall will be below your position before you ran and you will never recover because of the perception that you are a "loser"....

I have said it before - but getting the NC game and being humiliated in the game will be the worst thing that ever happened to TCU football since we turned ourselves in under Wacker - because of the decisions (or lack of) and failure to execute after....the higher you fly, the farther you have to fall if you let it happen

Sad, but likely true.

 

[NovaScotiaFrog]

You guys are crazy. Winning the Fiesta Bowl against Michigan and going to the National Championship is an all great TCU moment in history. Yeah the game stunk and we ran in to a grenade, that happens sometimes. It happened to Alabama against Clemson one year, it happened in most of the Semifinal games in the 4 team era, big deal.

The problem here is you're looking at First Take as some honest broker coming to unbiased conclusions. They're not. They're a professional wrestling fake talk show starting with what they want to argue (SEC deserves more playoff sports) and picking evidence to support that conclusion, not the other way around. If we had lost to Michigan, they would simply say "We have to remember the Big 12 has never won a playoff game ever" and we'd still have the same issue.

 

[TopFrog]

Teams have been blown out in a championship game before. It happens sometimes. They can never take away the Michigan win ... they might to choose to forget it but they can't remove it.

 

[FrogBall09]

You guys are crazy. Winning the Fiesta Bowl against Michigan and going to the National Championship is an all great TCU moment in history. Yeah the game stunk and we ran in to a grenade, that happens sometimes. It happened toit Alabama against Clemson one year, it happened in most of the Semifinal games in the 4 team era, big deal.

The problem here is you're looking at First Take as some honest broker coming to unbiased conclusions. They're not. They're a professional wrestling fake talk show starting with what they want to argue (SEC deserves more playoff sports) and picking evidence to support that conclusion, not the other way around. If we had lost to Michigan, they would simply say "We have to remember the Big 12 has never won a playoff game ever" and we'd still have the same issue.

it happen to Bama one year out of 10+ they have been in the discussion.

It happen to us the only time we got a shot - big difference.

And Stephen A is an idiot - but he is not the only one with that view and even immediately after the game, a ton of people were having to be reminded we had beaten Michigan to get to that game....because all they remembered was the butt kicking by Georgia.

Its only gotten worse over time as the "details" fade into memory but the result comes up every year during the who deserves a shot at spots 7-12 in the new CFP.

I hope one day we get to be in that discussion again - and when we make it back, every other comment will be "don't put them in, they got killed the last time"

no one remembers Michigan except TCU and Michigan fans.

 

[Wexahu]

it happen to Bama one year out of 10+ they have been in the discussion.

It happen to us the only time we got a shot - big difference.

And Stephen A is an idiot - but he is not the only one with that view and even immediately after the game, a ton of people were having to be reminded we had beaten Michigan to get to that game....because all they remembered was the butt kicking by Georgia.

Its only gotten worse over time as the "details" fade into memory but the result comes up every year during the who deserves a shot at spots 7-12 in the new CFP.

I hope one day we get to be in that discussion again - and when we make it back, every other comment will be "don't put them in, they got killed the last time"

no one remembers Michigan except TCU and Michigan fans.

To be honest, I don't think many people remember the Rose Bowl either, other than TCU and Wisconsin fans. Fans tend to have quite a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to their team.

I do agree that the Georgia game outcome was damaging, but that's the kind of risk that comes with the playoff system relative to the previous Bowl system. It kills the teams like TCU, and the expanded playoff kills them even more. We've never really had much parity in the game, the expanded playoff is going to make it clear for everyone to see. Used to be you could achieve a really high ranking without really having to play anyone (or maybe one or two good teams) and then in your mind you always won those hypothetical games against whoever you might have played. So much easier to talk about how you'd beat Team X instead of actually beating Team X. Honestly, we probably benefitted from that.

One other thing, even if we had made it a game against Georgia I'm not sure we'd have realized any major lasting effect from that. We are what we are. Georgia Tech, Colorado, BYU, Virginia Tech all had years where they won the National Title or came very close, and none of those programs really sustained anything. Miami was a huge national power for about a decade but it didn't take long for them to slip into relative irrelevance and play in half-filled stadiums. The size of our school and alumni base is very limiting.

 

[CO5]

We will be relevant again soon. Sure we got whipped by Georgia in the National Championship game, but we made it to the finals. We shouldn't hide from the score, we should embrace it.

My UT, A&M, Tech and other SEC friends always bring up that Georgia score.

My response: Only Big 12 team to make it to National Championship game in the playoff era.
Stomped Ole Miss 42-3 in 2014 in Peach Bowl and 2011 Rose Bowl Champs.
Only one of a hand full of universities to play in all 6 major bowl games.

They shut up pretty quickly.

 

[TopFrog]

it happen to Bama one year out of 10+ they have been in the discussion.

It happen to us the only time we got a shot - big difference.

And Stephen A is an idiot - but he is not the only one with that view and even immediately after the game, a ton of people were having to be reminded we had beaten Michigan to get to that game....because all they remembered was the butt kicking by Georgia.

Its only gotten worse over time as the "details" fade into memory but the result comes up every year during the who deserves a shot at spots 7-12 in the new CFP.

I hope one day we get to be in that discussion again - and when we make it back, every other comment will be "don't put them in, they got killed the last time"

no one remembers Michigan except TCU and Michigan fans.

USC 55
OU 19
2005 BCS championship game

 

[Mean Purple]

I would not have been. I never felt the 2022 team was elite - it lacked defense. 2014 was complete with playmakers on defense, special teams and offense. And that is what I was telling friends before the 2022 playoff, expecting to lose in 2022.

agreed

 

[Mean Purple]

We will be relevant again soon. Sure we got whipped by Georgia in the National Championship game, but we made it to the finals. We shouldn't hide from the score, we should embrace it.

My UT, A&M, Tech and other SEC friends always bring up that Georgia score.

My response: Only Big 12 team to make it to National Championship game in the playoff era.
Stomped Ole Miss 42-3 in 2014 in Peach Bowl and 2011 Rose Bowl Champs.
Only one of a hand full of universities to play in all 6 major bowl games.

They shut up pretty quickly.

That 2014 team was solid.

 

[SW toad]

That 2014 team was solid.

And then Auburn hired the Freeze dude who was answering questions post Peach Bowl like deputy dawg.

 

[Dr. Coach Haus]

To be honest, I don't think many people remember the Rose Bowl either, other than TCU and Wisconsin fans. Fans tend to have quite a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to their team.

I do agree that the Georgia game outcome was damaging, but that's the kind of risk that comes with the playoff system relative to the previous Bowl system. It kills the teams like TCU, and the expanded playoff kills them even more. We've never really had much parity in the game, the expanded playoff is going to make it clear for everyone to see. Used to be you could achieve a really high ranking without really having to play anyone (or maybe one or two good teams) and then in your mind you always won those hypothetical games against whoever you might have played. So much easier to talk about how you'd beat Team X instead of actually beating Team X. Honestly, we probably benefitted from that.

One other thing, even if we had made it a game against Georgia I'm not sure we'd have realized any major lasting effect from that. We are what we are. Georgia Tech, Colorado, BYU, Virginia Tech all had years where they won the National Title or came very close, and none of those programs really sustained anything. Miami was a huge national power for about a decade but it didn't take long for them to slip into relative irrelevance and play in half-filled stadiums. The size of our school and alumni base is very limiting.

What killed our program was the 5-7 follow-up year after getting destroyed in the NCG.

 

[Wexahu]

What killed our program was the 5-7 follow-up year after getting destroyed in the NCG.

Yes, it was not good. But the only "outsiders" or non-blue bloods or whatever you want to call them to make the playoffs in the 4-team format were Washington, MIchigan State, Cincinnati and TCU.

Cincinnati made the CFP in '21 and then went 9-4 and 3-9
Michigan St. made the CFP in '15, got blown out by Alabama, and went 3-9 the next year
Washington made it in '16 and had a few decent years but never threatened to go back and then had a 3-year stretch where they went 15-14.

That's kinda my point. Making the CFP doesn't really catapult a program to a new level, teams generally just revert back to their norm pretty quickly. Would we have been better off going 9-3 in 2022?

 

[SW toad]

We will be relevant again soon. Sure we got whipped by Georgia in the National Championship game, but we made it to the finals. We shouldn't hide from the score, we should embrace it.

My UT, A&M, Tech and other SEC friends always bring up that Georgia score.

My response: Only Big 12 team to make it to National Championship game in the playoff era.
Stomped Ole Miss 42-3 in 2014 in Peach Bowl and 2011 Rose Bowl Champs.
Only one of a hand full of universities to play in all 6 major bowl games.

They shut up pretty quickly.

You should consider altering your response saying TCU made the 4 team playoff, TCU beat a team(Michigan) that did not lose another game until their 17th game after the Semi-final

When people look back in 2030, they'll recognize that Georgia team that drummed TCU as having the most talented CFB roster in history. The Philadelphia Eagles would not have won the Superbowl without those 5-6 Georgia pieces from the '22 team.

Additionally, I believe Clemson was probably tampering with Garrett Riley the weeks leading up to the NC, similar to how Universities were most likely clouding with Tulane's Jon Sumrall after all those firings 2 weeks back and they lose to Memphis Nov 7th.

Now we have Clemson with the best roster in CFB pre-season. Today, I'd take Clemson DL over the Cowboy's DL. Clemson is about to have their worst season since the year after Andy Dalton beat them in 2009.

 

[FrogBall09]

To be honest, I don't think many people remember the Rose Bowl either, other than TCU and Wisconsin fans. Fans tend to have quite a bit of tunnel vision when it comes to their team.

I do agree that the Georgia game outcome was damaging, but that's the kind of risk that comes with the playoff system relative to the previous Bowl system. It kills the teams like TCU, and the expanded playoff kills them even more. We've never really had much parity in the game, the expanded playoff is going to make it clear for everyone to see. Used to be you could achieve a really high ranking without really having to play anyone (or maybe one or two good teams) and then in your mind you always won those hypothetical games against whoever you might have played. So much easier to talk about how you'd beat Team X instead of actually beating Team X. Honestly, we probably benefitted from that.

One other thing, even if we had made it a game against Georgia I'm not sure we'd have realized any major lasting effect from that. We are what we are. Georgia Tech, Colorado, BYU, Virginia Tech all had years where they won the National Title or came very close, and none of those programs really sustained anything. Miami was a huge national power for about a decade but it didn't take long for them to slip into relative irrelevance and play in half-filled stadiums. The size of our school and alumni base is very limiting.

well we will never know since we got beat like no team had ever been beaten in the championship game and then tied for the worst record ever in the following year for a team that made the NC game....so basically we could not have screwed it up anymore than we did.