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cdsfrog

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illini_frog said:
I've been hesitant to throw this out there, but I will anyway. 
 
I met Mike a few times at parties and around campus while still in college 2 years ago. Never talked to him a ton but had small talk a few times, and he seemed like a genuinely good guy. Now, genuinely good guys can do stupid things, including myself, but I have trouble believing he would pull some criminal act without being thoroughly provoked.
 
My dad has nothing but good things to say about him. He does well in class, and comes off as a really good funny guy.
 
Color me biased but I do not buy the victim's story. Sorry, his story sounds like (El Toro Waste).
 
Travis Trucks said:
 
It's just a bunch of sexually charged 18-22 year old guys who are in competition for the women on campus.
 
With the ratios the way they are, why is there such stiff competition.  The womenz should be the ones in competition.  Have you seen the dorks these hotties walk around with?  Slim pickens for the ladies.  For guys it's like shooting fish in a barrell.
 

YA

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Dogfrog said:
Also believe you said your parking lot gun incident was prior to the beating so no fight related brain damage at that time.
Correct. My run in with him happened many months before and the fight by the playes was after my incident. I was summoned to testify for the defense of the players regarding my incident.
 

ftwfrog

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Here's a thought:

If it's a party, isn't the beer pretty much community property? Back in my day, or any day nobody sits on a case of keystone light. You bring an 18 pack to get into the party, or pay 10$ to get in and drink the beer. How does the victim know it's his case. In an idea to make a profit, keystone(aka millerCoors) makes multiple cases of beer in hopes of selling more.
 

TCUdirtbag

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illini_frog said:
I've been hesitant to throw this out there, but I will anyway. 
 
I met Mike a few times at parties and around campus while still in college 2 years ago. Never talked to him a ton but had small talk a few times, and he seemed like a genuinely good guy. Now, genuinely good guys can do stupid things, including myself, but I have trouble believing he would pull some criminal act without being thoroughly provoked.
 
This aligns with everything I've always heard about MT.  Yes, he made a mistake (captain obvious here), but I don't think he's a violent person in general.  I think there's more to this incident than is contained in the police statements, and I think it was a bunch of 18-22 year olds drinking and getting in a pretty commonplace brawl.
 

BABYFACE

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Travis Trucks said:
 
This is probably the crux of it
 
My sophomore year one of my roommates was a football player who had trouble with frats... let's call him "Sam"(that wasnt his real name, but just to conceal identity)
 
One night Sam was in the student parking lot and a big F250 truck full of drunk frat guys backed into Sam's car and completely smashed the rear of Sam's car like a soda can. Of course the frat guys drive off, but Sam was able to get the plate number, called the cops, the frat guys were arrested in the parking lot by the bookstore. Of course the frat guys and the entire frat were pissed at Sam and harrassed him non stop over it the next few weeks for snitching. 
 
One night they were harrassing Sam over social media so Sam called them cowards and told one of them to come to our dorm to say it to his face. Of course instead of that one guy coming, about a dozen of them showed up. 12 on 1, yeah that's a fair fight. Sam just took the high road and called the RA who got campus police to escort them out.
 
Things settled down for a while but a few months later Sam got invited by a sorority girl to their date party mixer downtown that was co-hosted by the sorority and another frat. The frat that hosted it wasn't the same one who had the problem with Sam, but they still kicked him out of the party, because the girl who took Sam to the party was being pursued by one of the frat guys in the frat who was co-hosting the party and he had sour grapes. Of course the sorority sided with the frat, and therefore the Sorority Girl who invited Sam fell in line too, of course you always have to side with your frat/sorority or else. Basically all threw Sam under the bus. He had to call me to give him a ride home since they wouldn't let him take the bus back to campus. He was really bitter about that but again took the high road. 
 
Things finally came to a point at a baseball game in the Spring. One of the frat guys from the truck incident and his dad began to jaw at Sam on the sidewalk area behind the stadium 3rd base line. Sam decided to stick up for himself and began to jaw back with the dad and frat guy telling him to leave him alone. The dad grabbed Sam by the collar to get in his face and Sam delivered a punch right into the dad's cheek. Instead of fighting back the Dad called one of the assistant AD's to eject Sam from the premises. Apparently this dad was a big donor and said he has so much influence he just needed to make one phone call to get Sam kicked out of TCU. Sam never got kicked out but it did worry him for a while. But the police weren't called because technically the Dad was the aggressor. Those frat guys never messed with Sam again as far as I was concerned.
 
Long story short while taking the high road is usually the best route to go sometimes a good punch to the face is the best way to put an end to shenanigans for good. Because sometimes fighting back is the right message to send to tell people to knock it off.
 
Not all frats are bad. Not all frat guys are bad. There are good frats and bad frats. Within frats, good or bad, there are good guys and bad guys. Judge the individual and not the group. My room mates my junior/senior year were frat guys and they were all good people.
 
It's just a bunch of sexually charged 18-22 year old guys who are in competition for the women on campus. That's the crux of it. The frat guys think they run the campus and are the most alpha men on campus, and think that by not letting athletes into their party they are showing themselves as "above" the athletes and more important, in an attempt to impress the females of campus. Hence why the football guys took over Old Rips when I was a student - it was their place they could go and party without worrying whether or not they were welcome.
Good post.

Doesn't surprise the story involved a spoiled kid and a father that thinks he runs things because he is flush with coin.
 

jake102

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Of course it's unacceptable! But for the umpteenth time, they HAVE BEEN PUNISHED. They are currently being punished.
 
These guys haven't been playing for three weeks now.
 

BABYFACE

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satis1103 said:
Hahaha, glad you included "no warrants".  Apropos of nothing, I would like to state that issuing warrants and taking to jail people with otherwise completely clean records over traffic tickets that were not paid is ludicrous. I would love to propose a state constitution amendment that says nobody can be arrested for a class C traffic offense, whether the ticket was properly disposed of or not.

This keeps poor people poorer and costs some blue collar honest people their jobs when they are arrested months after they ran a stop sign. And don't tell me they should just pay it. A. that's a conviction reported, and B. some have the choice of a traffic fine or rent/bills/kids' needs.
You make a valid point
 
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hiphopfroggy

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Ron Swanson said:
I don't think it's as much about race and the "war" between fraternity guys and football players as it is about people who throw parties (which are fraternity guys a large percentage of the time) and people who aren't part of their close group of friends showing up at the party.

There's always going to be peripheral people showing up at parties and it's a factor that the people throwing the party have to deal with. You don't want too many random dudes there turning it into a sausage fest and drinking all your beer, but at the same time you want to be cordial to other people and don't want confrontation.

When I was at TCU, our fraternity got along pretty well with the team and never really minded when they showed up, but that's just my experience, I can't vouch for everyone else or what it's like now.

I just think it's more about random dudes drinking your beer and talking to your girls than it is about black vs white or rich vs poor. I bet they don't like it when members of other fraternities that they don't know show up at their parties, either.
 
This is it exactly. I have a scar to this day on my temple for kicking TT chapter members out of this very party house. My class were the original purchasers of said party house and the agreement was for no outside dudes at parties in this house. We had many members of the soccer team (yes TCU had a mens soccer team once) that were great friends and attended all our parties and lounged around watching sports during the day but even they had to go if a party was being thrown in this house that night. 
 

LisaLT

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PhormerPhrog said:
 
With the ratios the way they are, why is there such stiff competition.  The womenz should be the ones in competition.  Have you seen the dorks these hotties walk around with?  Slim pickens for the ladies.  For guys it's like shooting fish in a barrell.
you got that right lol
 

LisaLT

Active Member
BABYFACE said:
Good post.

Doesn't surprise the story involved a spoiled kid and a father that thinks he runs things because he is flush with coin.
Maybe there should be no frats or sororities on college campuses. They seem to promote too much social and cultural division. Its an outdated institution….
 

FrogSwagSurfin

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hiphopfroggy said:
 
This is it exactly. I have a scar to this day on my temple for kicking TT chapter members out of this very party house. My class were the original purchasers of said party house and the agreement was for no outside dudes at parties in this house. We had many members of the soccer team (yes TCU had a mens soccer team once) that were great friends and attended all our parties and lounged around watching sports during the day but even they had to go if a party was being thrown in this house that night. 
 
I was there and those guys where white trash. I hated the guy in the visor the most.
 

Casey T

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Can we get something straight real quick, because this has really upset me. KEYSTONE IS NOT $10/CASE! A case of keystone is a 30 rack, which costs $18-$22 on average in FW. That means all you low-lives claiming it's $10 are 80%-120% off on your math!!!
 
Show some respect people, Keystone should not be the one having its name dragged through the mud here
 

LurkerFrog

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TooColdU said:
After reading the afadavit, the fight and the theft of beer should be charged as two separate incidents. For them to be combined would suggest that the football players purposely tried to steal the beer by using force. None of the victims reported to this being the case. They just said the football players ran at them and attacked for no apparent reason. Intent is crucial between a felony and a misdemeanor.
I feel like this is the way the story is being portrayed by the general media and the way it is being interpreted by the unaffiliated masses that read that drivel.
 

LurkerFrog

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Moose Stuff said:
Agree 100% on this. There's a frat on frat fight at TCU basically every weekend.
Well, why the heck aren't these being reported on the front page of the startle gram and the NBC twittering about it?
 
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