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Wexahu

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Limey Frog said:
Let's be clear: SMU would not be punished for losing the right conference championship game. If Georgia loses to Texas, they'll have 3 losses (and should have lost to GT but were bailed out by home-cooking from SEC refs). Will they be punished? No. And we all know why.

Conference championship games should be eliminated and the playoff start date should be moved up a week. Sooner or later, that will happen.
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I guess you assume it's because Georgia is a blue blood and SMU is not? Why does that have to be the reason?

Would it not matter that Georgia beat Clemson 34-3 this year? Or that basically every college football fan, pundit, oddsmaker, you name it would think that Georgia is really the better team? Georgia will have 3 wins on their schedule FAR more impressive than SMU (Clemson, Tennessee, and Texas), wins over three playoff teams. SMU's best wins are Louisville and TCU, a team you've been ragging on for the better part of this year.

Would none of these facts matter in determining whether SMU/Georgia would be "punished" or not? And if not, why? Why does it always have to be "we all know why?"
 
bmoney214

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Limey Frog said:
I don't watch the rankings show or care what the committee says, because they're hypocrites and the system is rigged. BUT... it is my understanding that they said the existing field is set unless there is an upset the puts in a conference champion that is currently out--i.e. Clemson. The implication seemed to be that teams who aren't playing a 13th game don't have the chance to jump over a team who is but loses. If that's true and they don't change their tune to suit 'Bama/the SEC (which, let's be honest, they probably will), Clemson winning would bounce the current last team in--that's Alabama.
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You are right. That's pretty much exactly what the committee chairman said.
 
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PurpleBlood87 said:
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I disagree with him here. This is exactly what people used to say about TCU. Boise can only play in the conference that lets them join. He should be asking why the SEC automatically gets first right on any at-large spot available, such that three-loss Alabama is put in over two-loss Big 12 teams even though the SEC only plays eight conference games.
 
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HG73

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Limey Frog said:
I disagree with him here. This is exactly what people used to say about TCU. Boise can only play in the conference that let's them join. He should be asking why the SEC automatically gets first right on any at-large spot available, such that three-loss Alabama is put in over two-loss Big 12 teams even though the SEC only plays eight conference games.
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8 conference games is the key.
 
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Wexahu

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Limey Frog said:
I disagree with him here. This is exactly what people used to say about TCU. Boise can only play in the conference that let's them join. He should be asking why the SEC automatically gets first right on any at-large spot available, such that three-loss Alabama is put in over two-loss Big 12 teams even though the SEC only plays eight conference games.
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They don't "automatically" get that "right".
 
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Wexahu

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BrewingFrog said:
I believe we all know that would never be allowed to happen...

"It would have been glorious!"
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You mean like TCU making the playoffs without winning a conference title and having a loss?

I've heard that "we all know that would never happen" stuff before, and then it happened.
 
ECM

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I love the strength of schedule slander from the SEC mouthpieces.

You play who you play, particularly in conference where you don't control the schedule. We would've loved to play Vanderbilt (who beat Alabama and lost to Texas by 3); however, they became scared to play us and dropped us from the schedule without warning nine months before our scheduled game and forced us to scramble to find a replacement. We did schedule two P4 teams who combined to go 18-6; I'd like to see the committee reward teams who schedule up out of conference and punish teams (INDIANA and OHIO STATE) who don't.

Also, the arbitrary cutoff emphasis on Top 25 wins is funny for two reasons:

1. Texas doesn't have any either, and

2. The CFP committee doesn't rank outside of the top 25. But if you go by the AP, we have wins over 27 and 28 (both on the road). And, to be fair, Texas has wins over 26 and 33. Indiana still only has one at 34, but because of a decimal point tiebreaker in the Big Ten with Penn State, they get to sit at home this weekend assured of a playoff berth while we fight for a spot.

Oh well, life isn't fair.
 
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Wexahu

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ECM said:
I love the strength of schedule slander from the SEC mouthpieces.

You play who you play, particularly in conference where you don't control the schedule. We would've loved to play Vanderbilt (who beat Alabama and lost to Texas by 3); however, they became scared to play us and dropped us from the schedule without warning nine months before our scheduled game and forced us to scramble to find a replacement. We did schedule two P4 teams who combined to go 18-6; I'd like to see the committee reward teams who schedule up out of conference and punish teams (INDIANA and OHIO STATE) who don't.

Also, the arbitrary cutoff emphasis on Top 25 wins is funny for two reasons:

1. Texas doesn't have any either, and

2. The CFP committee doesn't rank outside of the top 25. But if you go by the AP, we have wins over 27 and 28 (both on the road). And, to be fair, Texas has wins over 26 and 33. Indiana still only has one at 34, but because of a decimal point tiebreaker in the Big Ten with Penn State, they get to sit at home this weekend assured of a playoff berth while we fight for a spot.

Oh well, life isn't fair.
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Great effort. Still not really buying it. You have your chance to beat a decent team Saturday.

Just as an aside, I just perused Duke’s resume….that could possibly be the worst resume of a #28 team I’ve ever seen. I think some of these voters must just give up after a certain point in the rankings. Heck, your win over us was far better, especially considering it wasn’t because our kicker couldn’t make a chip shot at the end of regulation.

Just as ridiculous is a ranking system that puts Duke ahead of Florida.
 
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Wexahu

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ECM said:
I love the strength of schedule slander from the SEC mouthpieces.

You play who you play, particularly in conference where you don't control the schedule. We would've loved to play Vanderbilt (who beat Alabama and lost to Texas by 3); however, they became scared to play us and dropped us from the schedule without warning nine months before our scheduled game and forced us to scramble to find a replacement. We did schedule two P4 teams who combined to go 18-6; I'd like to see the committee reward teams who schedule up out of conference and punish teams (INDIANA and OHIO STATE) who don't.

Also, the arbitrary cutoff emphasis on Top 25 wins is funny for two reasons:

1. Texas doesn't have any either, and

2. The CFP committee doesn't rank outside of the top 25. But if you go by the AP, we have wins over 27 and 28 (both on the road). And, to be fair, Texas has wins over 26 and 33. Indiana still only has one at 34, but because of a decimal point tiebreaker in the Big Ten with Penn State, they get to sit at home this weekend assured of a playoff berth while we fight for a spot.

Oh well, life isn't fair.
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Admittedly this is a deep dive but it's friday morning and I'm not at work and I'm bored as hell. You tout that Duke win and couldn't believe they were ranked ahead of Florida.

- Duke has played three teams ranked in the Top 50 in the Massey Composite. They are 0-3 in those games. So they don't have one win against a team in the Top 50!
- Florida has played four teams in the Top 10 of the Massey and seven teams in the Top 20. They are 2-5 in those games.
- The average Massey rank of the eight FBS teams Duke has beaten is 80. The average win margin in those games is 7 points.
- The average Massey rank of the 4 FBS teams Florida has beaten that aren't in the Top 20 is 68. The average win margin in those games is 19 points.
- Duke opponent's average rank is 64 and their total point differential is +33.
- Florida opponent's average rank is 31 and their total point differential is +9. So a difference of 2 points per game despite playing teams that are on average ranked 33 places higher.

And the AP voters apparently think 9-3 Duke is better than 7-5 Florida. Clearly there is an anti-SEC or pro-ACC bias in their rankings? Wouldn't you agree? I doubt there is one person out there who knows anything about football who actually thinks Duke is better than Florida. Their better record is entirely due to the ridiculous disparity in schedule strengths and nothing else. If they played this week Florida would be 9-point favorites. You touting that Duke win as one of your chips to brag on is hilarious.
 

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