CFP 5+11 Model gains steam... is that good or bad for college football?
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froglash88
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He make very good points. BY has been very good for the B12, but I agree with Klatt on this one.
Horned Frog Country
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Why can’t they use the BCS formula instead of the committee to pick the at large teams?
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In the past, TCU never made the playoffs or a Rose Bowl or Fiesta Bowl unless the Frogs were undisputed league champions. Why would that change now? Why would we expect it to change now? We've always earned our way into the playoffs/BCS bowl game. I would not have it any other way.
If we win the Big 12 and end the season with 1 or 0 losses, then we are in. Period. If we leave it in the hands of the committee, then we will get screwed again.
If we win the Big 12 and end the season with 1 or 0 losses, then we are in. Period. If we leave it in the hands of the committee, then we will get screwed again.
NovaScotiaFrog
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The only year we made the playoffs we were an at-large selection, not conference champs.
We were also an at-large selection for the Peach Bowl berth, though we did win a share of the conference title that year.
Yeah, for years all I ever heard was there was no way we would ever get selected by the committee unless we were undefeated. And then we are, and people seem to forget and continue with the woe is us BS.
The Ohio State University went 12-1 one year and did not make the playoffs. It happens.
The Bad Guy
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If memory serves me right, USC got beat fairly easy by Utah and we lost to K-State in OT. If USC wins or loses a really close game, I don't think TCU gets the bid. I'm just glad they lost so we didn't have to see what the elected powers would do.
TxFrog1999
The Man Behind The Curtain
Second verse, same as the first.
Instead of creating a simple playoff format rewarding conference champions supplemented with an open source computer model to select at-large bids, the powers of college football want to rely on the human factor and biased pre-season rankings to get what they want.
Instead of creating a simple playoff format rewarding conference champions supplemented with an open source computer model to select at-large bids, the powers of college football want to rely on the human factor and biased pre-season rankings to get what they want.
Horned Toad
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I think Yormark‘s thought may be that, from a pure image aspect, that a 5+11 model makes the Big 12 look equivalent to the SEC/Big 10 in that the conference champions make the playoffs and that the other 11 teams have to “earn” it. The 4-4-2-2 format makes the Big 12 and ACC look lesser than the other two and gives the two larger conferences a perception of being superior, with no effort involved at all, whether they are the better conferences or not. It’s pick your poison. Guarantee the SEC/BIG 8 teams without any extra effort, by just being a member of those conferences, or take a chance that you can get more than 2 teams in with the 5+11 model. Either option sucks but why give the SEC/BIG 8 spots on the first of September without earning them? They may end up with eight or more with either format, but at least you wouldn’t automatically be giving away those spots before a single game is played. I’d say screw it and take our chances with the 5+11 format.
Limey Frog
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Heads the Big Ten and SEC win, tails the ACC and Big XII lose.
Best case scenario would be 5+11 with the selections made 100% by computer algorithm. It is conceivable that 3 or 4 Big XII teams would be quantifiably in the best 16. It is inconceivable that a committee of human beings won't be corrupted, bullied, or both into doing the SEC-Ten's bidding.
Best case scenario would be 5+11 with the selections made 100% by computer algorithm. It is conceivable that 3 or 4 Big XII teams would be quantifiably in the best 16. It is inconceivable that a committee of human beings won't be corrupted, bullied, or both into doing the SEC-Ten's bidding.
TopFrog
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Money control.
Dutch
T C U Froooogs
I only care about TCU and I liked the 2 bids for the XII. Frogs would have 1/8 chance to make the CFP every year no matter what Texas or Ohio State do.
Horned Toad
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Dutch, respectfully, I hear you. All purple all the time here. But the Big 12 better start thinking like the SEC/Big, what’s good for the conference helps all teams, which helps TCU.
TopFrog
Lifelong Frog
Why the 5+11 CFP format fails to meet objectives fans should want
Joel Klatt
LEAD COLLEGE FOOTBALL ANALYST
I’m starting to feel very pessimistic about what some of the leaders in college football want to do with the sport. My optimism surrounding the future of college football is waning because I’m not sensing from some of these groups that they understand what’s going on, and they’re not considering you — the fans.
In case you missed it, the discussion surrounding the College Football Playoff expansion took another turn this week. There was some momentum behind the push for a 16-team CFP with a format that features the five-highest-ranked conference champions getting an automatic bid, while the 11 remaining spots would be at-large bids (5+11 model).
Read the rest at https://www.foxsports.com/stories/c...format-fails-meet-objectives-fans-should-want
Last year's final Massey ratings, which is a composite of all computer rankings.....
1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Oregon
4. Georgia
5. Texas
6. Penn State
7. Alabama
8. Tennessee
9. Ole Miss
10. Indiana
11. Michigan
12. LSU
13. BYU
14. South Carolina
15. Missouri
16. ASU
17. Florida
18. Iowa State
19. Clemson
20. Texas A&M
So you'd have been looking at OSU, Georgia, BYU, Clemson, and Boise State as the auto qualifiers and then the next 11, so the bolded teams in the CFP plus Boise State.
7 SEC
5 Big 10
1 Big 12
1 ACC
1 MWC
1 Notre Dame
Not sure people would be real thrilled with that outcome. I think it'd almost be a statistical impossibility that 3 Big 12 teams make it, unless they massively beefed up their OOC schedules and won those games.
LSU Game Attendee
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SECB10 not quite killing the golden goose, but they are chopping off a wing and a couple of drumsticks.
People are focusing on the wrong thing IMO. There isn't a playoff format they could come up with, short of just selecting teams entirely NOT based on merit, that would satisfy a good chunk of fans. Big12 and ACC fans that want their teams included whether they really deserve it or not is no better than supposedly some undeserving SEC or Big 10 teams getting in.
The free transfer rule is killing college football. Period. Do away with that garbage and almost everything is manageable from there. The big money schools and conferences will ALWAYS have a decided advantage, just like they always have, unless CF starts being run like the NFL (which it never will), but under this set of rules or lack thereof the programs that aren't willing to pour just stupid money into their programs have zero chance. Because of the bolded part.
People pretend like there really isn't much of a difference between the SEC/Big 10 and Big 12/ACC other than media hype. That's just sticking your head in the sand.
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Mean Purple
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Joel Klatt says all sorts of [ Finebaum ]. And just that.
The SEC is getting questioned after last year. Assuming they will always have the leg up was like assuming the BIG 12 would take over forever back in the early 2000s.
The whole SEC/Big 10 monster was supposed to gobble up the world and lock everybody else out something like 6 years ago by all analysts predictions.
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