CBS Sports: Connor Stalions fires back at Sonny Dykes, says Michigan knew 'almost every signal' against TCU and Georgia

[tetonfrog]

Here’s a fun question: would we have made the playoffs in ‘22 and beat Michigan with ‘24-25 Hoover?

Yes.

In 2022, the talent was better in the OL, WR & RB. And Max was in his fourth year & his experience was huge. I would love see what Josh could with a strong OL and veteran WRs & RBs.

Hopefully, we will see that this fall. It could be a lot fun.

 

[Spike]

Yes, Emari was huge. But you have to appreciate Duggan's great TD passes under pressure to Barber and QJ.

This thread is bringing back so many good memories.

 

[BrewingFrog]

This thread is bringing back so many good memories.

The roar when that DB whiffed...

 

[froginmn]

The roar when that DB whiffed...

Can't believe I spent $2K on tickets for that game (way more than I ever spent on any tickets) but fortunately it was a time in my life when I could afford to do that and I'll never regret it. Need to thank my wife again for telling me to pull the trigger.

 

[CryptoMiner]

Always wondered why teams don't huddle, break the huddle, and then quickly run their play. I think defenses would be confused as heck because all the film prep and game planning would almost be obsolete. They would have no idea of formation or where personnel is positioned until it was too late to make adjustments or calls.

Instead, offenses don't huddle and everyone runs to their spot and then looks back at the coaching staff for signals. Defensive coaches recognize tendencies and make signals of their own. Advantage, defense.

Makes absolutely no sense to me. I think it's a case where coaches want to control everything, and as a result, control too much.

You have to read the D to make the play call. If you huddle you waste time that you need to make the reads and make the call/change the call.

At one time both units huddled. Game has changed.

 

[ShadowFrog]

The roar when that DB whiffed...

Good memories indeed.
Watching those highlights, did you notice the M fans consistently showing the arrogant aw shucks looks, like that’s not supposed to happen, you’re just delaying my already-scheduled victory party? I noticed it after the pick 6’s and O touchdowns—their fans seemed either confused or irritated or both—just entitled. I don’t recall good crowd shots of Sun Bowl USC fans to our scores but much the same mentality.

 

[Wexahu]

You have to read the D to make the play call. If you huddle you waste time that you need to make the reads and make the call/change the call.

At one time both units huddled. Game has changed.

Since the defense can move as much as they want pre-snap I would think they would always have the advantage if both sides see how the other is initially lined up. A hell of a lot easier to disguise a defensive look than the other way around and from what I can tell when I watch football, the longer the two sides look at each other, the lesser chance a play is going to work.

It would seem like what I'm suggesting would result in kind of getting most of the advantages of running a hurry up offense without actually hurrying. Besides, in our offense when we make 6 yards on first down I don't think the QB is reading anything the defense shows on the next play, they are just going. So it's not like offenses need to always see something in order to make the right call.

 

[Mean Purple]

That was such a wild ass game. We actually punted six times and 60% of our possessions ended with no points. A few really big plays and the pick 6's made the difference.

Pretty much the summary for several games that season.
What a ride.

 

[Mean Purple]

OK, so let's say Riley was focused and our offense shows up..........that makes the final score 65-42? Come on. Our D was finished after the semis. We celebrated like we won the national championship after we beat Michigan. We did not show up the nest week at all. It wasn't just the OC - it was everyone.

Sonny even mentioned the plan to prepare the team was not a good one and he would do it differently. Hard to go with your A game when your star running back is out too.

 

[Mean Purple]

It really should not disturb you. I worked with Naval grads during Hercules and Martin Marietta stints. While most military folks entering civilian life are kosher, you do have a 15% to 25% of them who are still playing war mind games in the civilian world. I had to submit preliminary Libel and Defamation lawsuits to some of these PUNKS to get them to correct their behavior in the late 90s. They complied and STFU.

yup, a lot of guys process out and still play games like they are climbing the body ladder at the five side funny farm. then there are the good ones. a lot of those guys go into one of the federal agencies to continue to serve (LEO, etc.) and they sometimes get Fredoed by the problem ones.

but I submit that this problem is just a mirror of the general population. it's just more of a let down when its someone who should have known better than most due to training/opportunities.

always good for one to remind themself to be humble. That dude from Michigan is riding some public high or he is hoping to distract by making it look like a big nothing.

 

[Mean Purple]

I had a high school head coach, Mr. Phony we called him. Always talking religion, FCA, what a fine Christian he was, all that. Yet come to find out, he had absolutely no problem the game our coaches were able to intercept the oppositions wireless headsets. We crushed that team. I only found out about it because our o-line coach was fresh out of college and not that much older than us seniors. He ran the weight room so we were always hanging out with him. He spilled the beans to us players.

Unfortunate to hear. Aint saying folks are perfect. I lean on HIM and I still don't meet the standard I would hope to, hence the need to lean on HIM. But when someone is leading others they have influence over ... yeah, that's unfortunate.

 

[Mean Purple]

And 17 of UM's points came off our turnovers. Pretty even IMHO, although it took UM a little longer to score after their turnovers. Duggan had a bad night passing: 14/29 for 225 and 2 INTs. It was Emari Demercado who just took over after Miller got hurt. Emari was 17-150. Against the best defense in college football.

yup
and YUP.
Emari was a journeyman for us.

 

[Mean Purple]

Since the defense can move as much as they want pre-snap I would think they would always have the advantage if both sides see how the other is initially lined up. A hell of a lot easier to disguise a defensive look than the other way around and from what I can tell when I watch football, the longer the two sides look at each other, the lesser chance a play is going to work.

It would seem like what I'm suggesting would result in kind of getting most of the advantages of running a hurry up offense without actually hurrying. Besides, in our offense when we make 6 yards on first down I don't think the QB is reading anything the defense shows on the next play, they are just going. So it's not like offenses need to always see something in order to make the right call.

not always. only so much you can move and still cover gaps (very basic way of saying that, I know)
Also, only so much you can disguise a coverage. Every team has to stick with what they do best. I think the modern offenses are just set up to counter defenses do things on the fly. Think back to how Kenny would sometimes milk the clock down to low single digits and snap the ball his final season. Gave us time off the clock too.

However, you make a good point about if you get the yards on first down, just running what you want. Would be interested to see how it would work with a huddle like you mention. Just have to really spend time on film early that week and really know then tendencies. Colleges don't have all the time a pro team does.

 

[Wexahu]

not always. only so much you can move and still cover gaps (very basic way of saying that, I know)
Also, only so much you can disguise a coverage. Every team has to stick with what they do best. I think the modern offenses are just set up to counter defenses do things on the fly. Think back to how Kenny would sometimes milk the clock down to low single digits and snap the ball his final season. Gave us time off the clock too.

However, you make a good point about if you get the yards on first down, just running what you want. Would be interested to see how it would work with a huddle like you mention. Just have to really spend time on film early that week and really know then tendencies. Colleges don't have all the time a pro team does.

I have a feeling that a coach like GP would absolutely hate offenses breaking from a huddle where you don't know who is going to line up where, and having very little to no time to see anything before the play. He was a master at seeing how the offense set up, and knowing what was coming.

And if you actually huddle you can call whatever you want and get into some pretty sophisticated sets. But when you're in hurry up, no huddle you're kind of limited to very basic formations and plays because its just about getting the play off before the defense is ready. But there's no rule that says if you do huddle, you have to slowly break and take your time snapping the ball.

I just think it would give defensive coaches fits to call a play in a huddle, and then get out to your spots quick and snap the ball on a quick count. In effect, the offense would be ready, and the defense wouldn't be because they wouldn't have time to figure out what was coming.

 

[Mean Purple]

I have a feeling that a coach like GP would absolutely hate offenses breaking from a huddle where you don't know who is going to line up where, and having very little to no time to see anything before the play. He was a master at seeing how the offense set up, and knowing what was coming.

And if you actually huddle you can call whatever you want and get into some pretty sophisticated sets. But when you're in hurry up, no huddle you're kind of limited to very basic formations and plays because its just about getting the play off before the defense is ready. But there's no rule that says if you do huddle, you have to slowly break and take your time snapping the ball.

I just think it would give defensive coaches fits to call a play in a huddle, and then get out to your spots quick and snap the ball on a quick count. In effect, the offense would be ready, and the defense wouldn't be because they wouldn't have time to figure out what was coming.

maybe. at least until someone drops the mike back into coverage at the snap or does the whole hybrid zone thing. Can't just look at it from one side of the ball. A huddle does not prevent a defense from switching out of a formation to something else too. crashes, stunts ... all sorts of things that hope to be planned for.

 

[Wexahu]

maybe. at least until someone drops the mike back into coverage at the snap or does the whole hybrid zone thing. Can't just look at it from one side of the ball. A huddle does not prevent a defense from switching out of a formation to something else too. crashes, stunts ... all sorts of things that hope to be planned for.

Sometimes they would guess right, just like they always do. But I think the odds greatly favor the defense when both sides stand and look at each other for 10 seconds. The offense could look at a defense all day and they still wouldn't know for sure where the stunts and crashes are coming from. And the defense is free to move around all they want so they can disguise things way easier.

 

[Mean Purple]

Sometimes they would guess right, just like they always do. But I think the odds greatly favor the defense when both sides stand and look at each other for 10 seconds. The offense could look at a defense all day and they still wouldn't know for sure where the stunts and crashes are coming from. And the defense is free to move around all they want so they can disguise things way easier.

heck, sometimes the secondary is looking around too much right before the snap. at some point you gotta have your feet planted and eyes ready. that's where technique has to be followed.

 

[Spike]

Good memories indeed.
Watching those highlights, did you notice the M fans consistently showing the arrogant aw shucks looks, like that’s not supposed to happen, you’re just delaying my already-scheduled victory party? I noticed it after the pick 6’s and O touchdowns—their fans seemed either confused or irritated or both—just entitled. I don’t recall good crowd shots of Sun Bowl USC fans to our scores but much the same mentality.

They weren't jerks, but they didn't really seem excited to be there. I'm like hello, I just took 4 days off from work and drove 16 hours each way to see my favorite team play. Every bowl game I've been to in the past has had a party atmosphere to it, but these guys acted like it was their chemistry homework or something.

 

[Mean Purple]

They weren't jerks, but they didn't really seem excited to be there. I'm like hello, I just took 4 days off from work and drove 16 hours each way to see my favorite team play. Every bowl game I've been to in the past has had a party atmosphere to it, but these guys acted like it was their chemistry homework or something.

maybe they got a fan email from the Stallions guy before the game ...

"I've looked at the tape, sat on the opposing bench, and paid some guy for the signals ... but even if they have an entire bad quarter, have some turnovers and have the secondary blow some coverages late in the game ... there's no way in hell we beat TCU."

 

[froginaustin]

Stallions.

the guy can’t even spell his own name.