It just seems like from all that was said that this was the year for the offense to break out. At the end of the day it sputtered far too often and I think Dykes seemed to be visibly frustrated as the season went on. When Sammis was hired, the profile QB that was mentioned by him was literally the opposite of what we had. Based upon lack of actual changes from certain people, clearly they didn’t think they were the problem. I could see the Cignetti/Hoover relationship not go well at all.
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It just seems like from all that was said that this was the year for the offense to break out. At the end of the day it sputtered far too often and I think Dykes seemed to be visibly frustrated as the season went on. When Sammis was hired, the profile QB that was mentioned by him was literally the opposite of what we had. Based upon lack of actual changes from certain people, clearly they didn’t think they were the problem. I could see the Cignetti/Hoover relationship not go well at all.
HornyWartyToad
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Well that was a lot. . . IF SEALS’s read is accurate that’s a lot of drama, and it feels like maybe Hoov believed the commitment wasn’t there to give him the O-line help he needed. . . I’m not going to have too strong an opinion on him til I see how next year plays out.
hometown frog
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Where does anybody talk about the line and help in any of that conversation? I think your own opinions are seeping into the thread a bit much.
Per Seals Hoov and several within the team and department were in difficult discussions and soon after Briles is let go and Hoov entered the portal and opted out of the bowl game. Then the rest of the team seems to rally around each other and play some inspired football for one last game as a unit.
Everything else in conjecture.
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I get the impression that Hoov felt that Briles was his mentor and protector to some extent. It may well be that Briles was kept around just to keep Hoov in the fold, and when his inability to deliver consistent results became too much, they cut him loose without regard for the consequences.
As to Hoov, he had a lot of people singing in his ear, and IMHO he made a foolish mistake trusting them. Yeah, his "agent" says he's getting $5 million, but none of us have seen the contract, and there's the distinct possibility that he never even sees the field at Indiana. If that's the case, whoever makes decisions at Indiana is nuts to pay (a rumored) $5 million for a kid to hold a clipboard for one year, and I can't help but think that if he's not the starter he's not getting top dollar but some specified lesser amount. Tough titty.
Another impression from Seals is that this Frog team does indeed have a strong locker room, and a team ethos that is to be admired. Let's hope that stays strong!
HornyWartyToad
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Not exactly a big reach when a QB who’s been lit up more than Dresden concludes that the program isn’t committed to helping him achieve his goal of winning the conference title, that it may just possibly have something to do with his O-line. . . I guess you think all is/was well with that unit? I’d love to hear the specifics of how tying Hoover’s decision to Ken-doll’s departure is more than conjecture on your part.
hometown frog
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I mean I don’t recall feeling like that same line was a weakness against USC a couple of weeks ago. (Only difference was the play caller and the qb taking the snaps.) So I’m just not sure the oline was as bad as many here say it is. I think Briles and Hoover combined to not help call plays that were better for what our oline was on any given week.
I do personally think that Hoov left because Briles left. I think Briles coddled/protected Hoov and allowed a lot of our bad performances to happen just to try and get Hoover his stats and not upset him. But that’s total conjecture on my part and really doesn’t matter anymore.
I just felt a higher confidence in the team once Briles was gone and then when Hoover opted out. I think that feeling wasn’t just in my mind and I think it tells of a hidden story from within the locker room that us internet dweebs don’t know about.
NovaScotiaFrog
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We were in 3rd and 20 on the game winning play because Seals was sacked the play before, the third of the game. Took us out of field goal range and honestly could have cost us the game if not for Payne being a magician. The O-Line wasn't that great in the bowl game either, though we did adjust play calling around that fact.
I think it's easy to kind of see what you want to see at times.
For the season we averaged 421 ypg and 6.12 ypp. Against USC we had 375 yards and 5.28 ypp. For the season we averaged 132 ypg rushing and 3.92 ypc. We rushed for 117 yards and 3.8 per carry against USC.
And USC had the 50th ranked defense in the country and 58th against the run, so its not like that was some great unit we were up against. We won that game mainly because their QB decided to make a couple boneheaded plays instead of ours for a change, not because our offense was suddenly cutting loose and chewing up yards since Briles was finally gone.
Traveling Frog
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Our o line was crap for the last two years according to the grades. Two years ago people said we had good pass protection because of not many sacks. Did you know we ranked near dead last in the amount of time Hoover had to throw before being pressured. So the o line pass blocking was bad and Hoover made up for it.
gohornedfrogs
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All that being said, and it's good info, our offense seemed a lot more organized and looked like it had a plan against USC.
Frog Attack II
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Just a ton of conjecture... At the end of the day, Briles is gone, Hoover (a Captain) hits the portal, others step up and most of the team plays in the bowl game and win it. If the true Cap't and leader of the team leaves, I find it hard to believe that a lot of others wouldn't follow suit.
They didn't because of the strong culture still in the program. Time to move on. And yes - okine play needs to improve, which I have some high hopes for with the new O coaching staff.
They didn't because of the strong culture still in the program. Time to move on. And yes - okine play needs to improve, which I have some high hopes for with the new O coaching staff.
I do not have any inside information, but I can sum up why Hoover left:
1 - he got a raise
2 - he gets a chance to work with Cignetti, the new genius of college football.
All of the other stuff is fluff. Simple question for every person questioning Hoover's decision: would you rather work with Sonny Dykes or Curt Cignetti? Easy answer, right?
1 - he got a raise
2 - he gets a chance to work with Cignetti, the new genius of college football.
All of the other stuff is fluff. Simple question for every person questioning Hoover's decision: would you rather work with Sonny Dykes or Curt Cignetti? Easy answer, right?
Well, Cignetti is everyone's darling now. Once upon a time Jared Goff developed into the #1 pick in the draft under Dykes.
I think the main reason is he got a decent raise, but playing for Cignetti might have had a part in it too.
Our sack rate was well above the median IU was only slightly better than us in sacks allowed per game all that while Hoover having over 50 more passing attempts than Mendoza at the moment.
Mean Purple
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that part of the interview where Seals talks about Briles and Sonny outside of the bus and tapefingers' Ipad being cleared out is pretty telling of that. I remember a post game with Brian where Sonny sounded very displeased about a play that was called. And the multiple times he talked about run game. It was not a good signal for tapefingers. The other stuff that happened last year with QB1 and his dad ... similar to stuff an exiting lineman did before our New Mexico bowl. Sonny seems to have drawn a line in the sand on that. He has been real focused on wanting to develop a program. So kudos deserved on that part.
Mean Purple
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I just think it is funny that the O-line performed better after Briles' ipad was cleared out.
Mean Purple
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Dude, welcome to a sports chat board.
Mean Purple
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Cignetti just demands execution. He has no tolerance for less. Those two coordinators are incredible.
I don't think Indiana is doing it in a sustainable way. If they don't win it all this year, may not happen. Relying on portals won't work out that way every year, if often at all.
You mentioned it the other day ... 23 and 24 year olds know more football, but no team will hit on that luck very often. If you compare the talent at Indiana to Miami, Miami wins hands down. But Indiana a ton of older players that can execute/play with discipline.
Miami will likely be awesome for a long while due to that talent they get to develop. Indiana doesn't have that. So Indiana won't likely be the next Bama in a years of great play sense.
They have money, but not that kind of money nor recruiting to develop.
Miami has more talent, but I don't think the margin is that great. Indiana has the experience edge, and they have Mendoza, who I think is extra special.
It will be interesting to see if IU can maintain any semblance of this kind of success. I think everyone is kind of studying what they are doing and the result is going to be blue bloods relying less on underclassmen in the future. That's the one area you look at and say, that is something they are doing differently with an average starter age of 22.5.
We'll see.
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