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Cougar/Frog

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Wexahu said:
Just answer my question.

I'm not muddling away from anything. Despite ND's 2-point loss at Miami, ND clearly has the better overall resume IMO. Their other loss was by 1 point to a CFP team and their average point margin vs other ACC opponents (wins only) was more than Miami's. I'm excluding the SMU game, which speaks for itself. Almost every single computer ranking favors ND, and some significantly.
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Neither should be in. SOR 13 and 14. Both played soft ACC schedules.
Meanwhile BYU SOR 7 Bama SOR 9 OU SOR Texas Tech SOR 10 Vandy SOR 11 Texas SOR 12

Both ND and Miami should be below all those.
 
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Wexahu

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Frozen Frog said:
If you’re an ACC you should be pushing hard for Miami over ND! If Duke beats UVA there is a very good shot the ACC is left out entirely.

What’s ND’s signature win? What’s UT’s signature win? What’s A&M’s signature win? What’s Miami’s signature win? We seem to have a debate of bad wins vs. good losses.

I’m putting A&M in as host. They are a 1-loss team. I’m probably putting Miami over most other teams. Again they had some atrocious games, but I still think they earned it. I’d put UT over OU, but I’m not sure either deserves it. I think it’s a toss-up between UT and ND.

If BYU wins both then and TT are in. That might end a good chunk of this debate.
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Why do you say "if you're an ACC (fan)". Why should that matter? Why can't people just take off their conference or team affiliated colored glasses and objectively look at something?

So now you need a "signature win"? I thought best loss was how it worked. What was our signature win in 2014? Kansas State at home?

Notre Dame had zero atrocious games, unless you want to call beating BC by 156 atrocious. They lost two games on basically the final play by a total of 3 points to teams that are a combined 21-2, beat #17 USC by 10, and steamrolled the rest of their opponents by an average of 32 points. How did Miami "earn it" but say, OU did not?
 
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Mean Purple

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Frozen Frog said:
If you’re an ACC you should be pushing hard for Miami over ND! If Duke beats UVA there is a very good shot the ACC is left out entirely.

What’s ND’s signature win? What’s UT’s signature win? What’s A&M’s signature win? What’s Miami’s signature win? We seem to have a debate of bad wins vs. good losses.

I’m putting A&M in as host. They are a 1-loss team. I’m probably putting Miami over most other teams. Again they had some atrocious games, but I still think they earned it. I’d put UT over OU, but I’m not sure either deserves it. I think it’s a toss-up between UT and ND.

If BYU wins both then and TT are in. That might end a good chunk of this debate.
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I wonder if Bama must win the conf title to stay in. They beat UGA this year. But it would be 3 losses. I'm guessing they are in no matter what?
Aggie sig win is the Irish. UT's is Aggie/Vandy. Miami's is Irish. ND's is either Pitt (who Miami destroyed), or USC.
 
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Wexahu

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Cougar/Frog said:
Neither should be in. SOR 13 and 14. Both played soft ACC schedules.
Meanwhile BYU SOR 7 Bama SOR 9 OU SOR Texas Tech SOR 10 Vandy SOR 11 Texas SOR 12

Both ND and Miami should be below all those.
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I'm looking at the results of Texas Tech and BYU side by side and I can tell you that any "Power Index" or whatever you want to call it that has BYU ranked four spots ahead of Texas Tech is absolute garbage. Tech not only beat BYU by 22 points, they beat the other good team in the league (Utah) by 24 and BYU beat them by 3. And their average margin of victory in other B12 games is not even close either.

In all seriousness, what the heck?
 
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Mean Purple

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Wexahu said:
I'm looking at the results of Texas Tech and BYU side by side and I can tell you that any "Power Index" or whatever you want to call it that has BYU ranked four spots ahead of Texas Tech is absolute garbage. Tech not only beat BYU by 22 points, they beat the other good team in the league (Utah) by 24 and BYU beat them by 3. And their average margin of victory in other B12 games is not even close either.

In all seriousness, what the heck?
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Is that real, someone has them with a bigger rating currently?
 
Cougar/Frog

Cougar/Frog

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Wexahu said:
I'm looking at the results of Texas Tech and BYU side by side and I can tell you that any "Power Index" or whatever you want to call it that has BYU ranked four spots ahead of Texas Tech is absolute garbage. Tech not only beat BYU by 22 points, they beat the other good team in the league (Utah) by 24 and BYU beat them by 3. And their average margin of victory in other B12 games is not even close either.

In all seriousness, what the heck?
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It is not "power rankings" but ESPN SOR. Are you aware of this, which is now a part of the official CFP Committee criteria?
It is resume rankings, not power rankings. ESPN uses how the #25 team would have done against the record and then grades how much better or worse a team did.
Kelley Ford uses the #11 ranking for his resume rankings.
There it is BYU #6 Vandy #8 OU #9 Bama #10 Tech #11 Miami #12 ND #13.

Slightly different, but also showing that Miami and ND don't deserve to be in, while BYU and Vandy do.

You keep defecting, which is your normal course. The discussion was Miami v ND and I noted that neither should be in. BYU definitely should be in, and likely Vandy as well.
 
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Wexahu

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Cougar/Frog said:
It is not "power rankings" but ESPN SOR. Are you aware of this, which is now a part of the official CFP Committee criteria?
It is resume rankings, not power rankings. ESPN uses how the #25 team would have done against the record and then grades how much better or worse a team did.
Kelley Ford uses the #11 ranking for his resume rankings.
There it is BYU #6 Vandy #8 OU #9 Bama #10 Tech #11 Miami #12 ND #13.

Slightly different, but also showing that Miami and ND don't deserve to be in, while BYU and Vandy do.

You keep defecting, which is your normal course. The discussion was Miami v ND and I noted that neither should be in. BYU definitely should be in, and likely Vandy as well.
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BYU should definitely be in based on what? The SOR?

It's garbage, and I gave a great example why. If the CFP committee is using this, I hope it's as toilet paper. Seriously, how can BYU be ahead of Texas Tech?
 
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Mean Purple

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Cougar/Frog said:
It is not "power rankings" but ESPN SOR. Are you aware of this, which is now a part of the official CFP Committee criteria?
It is resume rankings, not power rankings. ESPN uses how the #25 team would have done against the record and then grades how much better or worse a team did.
Kelley Ford uses the #11 ranking for his resume rankings.
There it is BYU #6 Vandy #8 OU #9 Bama #10 Tech #11 Miami #12 ND #13.

Slightly different, but also showing that Miami and ND don't deserve to be in, while BYU and Vandy do.

You keep defecting, which is your normal course. The discussion was Miami v ND and I noted that neither should be in. BYU definitely should be in, and likely Vandy as well.
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Does suck that BYU (and maybe Bama) get clipped if they lose a conf champ game.
 
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Wexahu

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Big Frog II said:
If BYU wins, they are in. If they lose they are not. I think Alabama is in danger if they lose as well. I really hope Duke win so the ACC doesn't get anyone in the playoffs.
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I think Alabama is in danger too, much less so if Texas Tech wins. And also much less so if they play a really competitive game Saturday. If they get beat up pretty good, I don't see how they could stay in. I understand not wanting to penalize a team for making its CCG, but you still gotta look the part IMO.
 
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Mean Purple

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Wexahu said:
BYU should definitely be in based on what? The SOR?

It's garbage, and I gave a great example why. If the CFP committee is using this, I hope it's as toilet paper. Seriously, how can BYU be ahead of Texas Tech?
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Does anybody really think the CFP is using any solid metrics for their even primary rationale.

I was for an 8 team playoff If they really needed to expand. No bye weeks for anybody, mainly because of the debate we used to avoid work today.
If the top 8 are nonsense tonight, flame away at my theory. But it seems like the 12 model makes it a bigger mess.

But I also didn’t mind the BCS model. lol.
 
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Mean Purple

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Wexahu said:
I think Alabama is in danger too, much less so if Texas Tech wins. And also much less so if they play a really competitive game Saturday. If they get beat up pretty good, I don't see how they could stay in. I understand not wanting to penalize a team for making its CCG, but you still gotta look the part IMO.
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Texas would need Bama to lose for any hopes a getting in?
 
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Mean Purple

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So they have to take a G5 (I think Tulane and University of North Texas are better than JMU).
If Duke wins and Bama loses, could open the door for having 4 teams from Texas in?

Cause that would be hilarious. Some of the east coast folks would completely lose their crap over that.
 
Cougar/Frog

Cougar/Frog

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Wexahu said:
BYU should definitely be in based on what? The SOR?

It's garbage, and I gave a great example why. If the CFP committee is using this, I hope it's as toilet paper. Seriously, how can BYU be ahead of Texas Tech?
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Haha, so pathetic.
Miami and ND don't deserve to be in and you want to hyper focus on BYU v Tech. BYU played a tougher OOC schedule and tougher conference schedule, so has a better resume.
Both belong, while ND and Miami do not. Vandy does above both belong.
 
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Wexahu

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Cougar/Frog said:
Haha, so pathetic.
Miami and ND don't deserve to be in and you want to hyper focus on BYU v Tech. BYU played a tougher OOC schedule and tougher conference schedule, so has a better resume.
Both belong, while ND and Miami do not. Vandy does above both belong.
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I'm hyper focusing on it because the main source you are using to support your opinion is the SOR.

Portland St., East Carolina and Stanford is materially tougher than Arkansas PB, Kent State, and Oregon State? Those are 6 layups, it's irrelevant. Tougher conference schedule? I guess maybe, but barely, maybe by one opponent? And they actually played each other, and it wasn't close. And easily the next best team they played, those outcomes weren't close either.
 
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Wexahu

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Cougar/Frog said:
Haha, so pathetic.
Miami and ND don't deserve to be in and you want to hyper focus on BYU v Tech. BYU played a tougher OOC schedule and tougher conference schedule, so has a better resume.
Both belong, while ND and Miami do not. Vandy does above both belong.
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Hold on a sec......does the Cougar in your name refer to BYU?

That would explain quite a bit.
 

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