Bowl projection

[Wexahu]

actually, both BU and TCU got screwed in 2014. and many claimed that. FSU was an obvious dog. I didn't say that BU shouldn't get in. Now, did I find it funny they did not, hell yeah.

but nice dodge, cfp homer.

And how are the records and numbers more real? dude, are you goofy? It's wins and losses, dude.

Why aren't James Madison and North Texas ranked higher than Notre Dame and Alabama? They've won more games!!

I think anyone with more than a pea sized brain gets that, but no, let's just act like total dumbasses and act like only wins and losses matter, and that strength of schedule, point margins, and all the other metrics don't. Yay, being a complete scheissing idiot is fun!!

 

[NovaScotiaFrog]

actually, both BU and TCU got screwed in 2014. and many claimed that. FSU was an obvious dog. I didn't say that BU shouldn't get in. Now, did I find it funny they did not, hell yeah.

but nice dodge, cfp homer.

And how are the records and numbers more real? dude, are you goofy? It's wins and losses, dude.

Paragraph 1 argues that two 1-loss teams, one of which beat the other, should have been in instead of an undefeated team.

Paragraph 3 argues that wins and losses and head to head are what matters.

Which is it?

 

[Dogfrog]

Why aren't James Madison and North Texas ranked higher than Notre Dame and Alabama? They've won more games!!

I think anyone with more than a pea sized brain gets that, but no, let's just act like total dumbasses and act like only wins and losses matter, and that strength of schedule, point margins, and all the other metrics don't. Yay, being a complete scheissing idiot is fun!!

Maybe stop and take a few breaths.

 

[Wexahu]

Paragraph 1 argues that two 1-loss teams, one of which beat the other, should have been in instead of an undefeated team.

Paragraph 3 argues that wins and losses and head to head are what matters.

Which is it?

Looking forward to this response. You nailed it, this kind of pretzel logic happens all the time.

As I said, people determine the result they want, and then use whatever argument they can to support that, who cares about inconsistencies.

 

[Wexahu]

Maybe stop and take a few breaths.

Nah, I'm having fun. LOL

 

[Mean Purple]

Paragraph 1 argues that two 1-loss teams, one of which beat the other, should have been in instead of an undefeated team.

Paragraph 3 argues that wins and losses and head to head are what matters.

Which is it?

Because paragraph 3 is related to the Miami ND where they were head to head and common games. which has been the point the numbers have made on this thread.


The Florida State being an obvious dog was just side note. (As in, TCU or BU would have beaten them in that playoff.) FSU had the safe shoe in that year. They were the only 13-0 team that year. The debate that year about BU/then TCU getting in was related to the others who had a worse loss than TCU.

 

[Mean Purple]

Looking forward to this response. You nailed it, this kind of pretzel logic happens all the time.

As I said, people determine the result they want, and then use whatever argument they can to support that, who cares about inconsistencies.

well, sorry to disappoint you losers. Didn't nail jack. I wasn't saying they should be in over FSU.

If Wex would think back, my contention that year was that Ohio State had the worse loss. A dog Va Tech team. Which Wex and I went round about multiple times. (You know, being consistent here.) The rest of the debate that year was how did TCU drop so far after boat racing someone on the last.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

Yes and since he took over they have quit soliciting feedback from those of us who spend thousands of dollars on club seats. I used to get weekly emails asking for feedback but now it is crickets. It certainly gives the appearance that the administration doesn't care.

They don’t give a [ Finebaum ]! Dump em…

 

[Wexahu]

well, sorry to disappoint you losers. Didn't nail jack. I wasn't saying they should be in over FSU.

If Wex would think back, my contention that year was that Ohio State had the worse loss. A dog Va Tech team. Which Wex and I went round about multiple times. (You know, being consistent here.) The rest of the debate that year was how did TCU drop so far after boat racing someone on the last.

Miami has a way worse loss than Notre Dame. That doesn’t matter this year?

Ohio State didn’t have a worse loss than Baylor in 2014.

 

[NovaScotiaFrog]

Because paragraph 3 is related to the Miami ND where they were head to head and common games. which has been the point the numbers have made on this thread.


The Florida State being an obvious dog was just side note. (As in, TCU or BU would have beaten them in that playoff.) FSU had the safe shoe in that year. They were the only 13-0 team that year. The debate that year about BU/then TCU getting in was related to the others who had a worse loss than TCU.

Ok, then that goes back to the original question that Wexahu asked you: If Florida State was a shoe in and you had to pick between Baylor and TCU as the 2014 committee did, you believe Baylor should have gotten the nod and we didn't really get screwed?

 

[Mean Purple]

Miami has a way worse loss than Notre Dame. That doesn’t matter this year?

bu had a worse loss than TCU that year. but the head to head mattered. which is what I assume you are comparing it too, because TCU and Ohio State did not play in 2014.

 

[Mean Purple]

Ok, then that goes back to the original question that Wexahu asked you: If Florida State was a shoe in and you had to pick between Baylor and TCU as the 2014 committee did, you believe Baylor should have gotten the nod and we didn't really get screwed?

both oregon and ohio state had losses worse than tcu. bama's is up for debate. ohio state had the worst of the whole group.
I'm saying they both should have gotten in.

BUT NONE OF THAT has to do with the fact that Miami beat ND in a head to head and did better against common opponents this year. Which is the factor (or the lack there of) that the CFP homes clung to, along with the "13 data point" to put brands in 2014. Well, now they have it. Which is what Wex seems to want to dodge here.

 

[NovaScotiaFrog]

both oregon and ohio state had losses worse than tcu. bama's is up for debate. ohio state had the worst of the whole group.
I'm saying they both should have gotten in.

Oregon and Ohio State both had better records than TCU and Baylor though.
So we are back to records NOT mattering?

 

[Mean Purple]

Oregon and Ohio State both had better records than TCU and Baylor though.
So we are back to records NOT mattering?

So you're saying that if Tulane or University of North Texas win the conf game they have more claim to be in the playoffs ahead of loser of big 10, loser of SEC, Ole Miss, Texas A&M ... (Edit: Loser of the SEC raises a whole new question - does that keep Bama out since they will have 3 losses?)


The whole records/results conversation on this thread has been related to head to head or common opponents. Including the parts about wins and losses. (try and keep up).
as for 2014, most of us did not see the ACC or PAC being all that. in 2014 they were all one loss teams. folks (here) did not see their records as being better.

However, as it relates to the discussion that Wex has been trying to muddle here on this thread, Miami and ND have a head to head and common line.

 

[NovaScotiaFrog]

So you're saying that if Tulane or University of North Texas win the conf game they have more claim to be in the playoffs ahead of loser of big 10, loser of SEC, Ole Miss, Texas A&M ...

Well, if University of North Texas wins the conference game wouldn't they be the auto-bid compared to those teams at-large pics? So in that sense sure?

But in all honesty no, I'm not. I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from because it seems like your standards keep shifting.

The whole records/results conversation on this thread has been related to head to head or common opponents. Including the parts about wins and losses. (try and keep up).

Right, which is why you were asked about 2014 and the debate between TCU and Baylor. It seems to keep trying to dodge that question by bringing up three teams that all had better records than either of them.

 

[Mean Purple]

Well, if University of North Texas wins the conference game wouldn't they be the auto-bid compared to those teams at-large pics? So in that sense sure?

But in all honesty no, I'm not. I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from because it seems like your standards keep shifting.


Right, which is why you were asked about 2014 and the debate between TCU and Baylor. It seems to keep trying to dodge that question by bringing up three teams that all had better records than either of them.

My standards have not shifted one bit. The reason I was asked about the 2014 issue is because he tried to falsely claim I was not consistent; that I was claiming head to head mattered in one place, but not the other. And that's wrong. I never claimed head to head did not matter.

I have not dodged anything, because I've said the BU goes first that year, meaning they would get ranked ahead. (Pretty sure most felt that they would jump that last week because of who each played that day)
As for the other 3 teams mentioned, that's because you asked. Many of us did not agree that those teams had better records due to it being 1 loss teams in the bucket, but the debate is hinged because there were no head to heads and commons were different as well then. But I've not changed my position on that.

 

[Wexahu]

My standards have not shifted one bit. The reason I was asked about the 2014 issue is because he tried to falsely claim I was not consistent; that I was claiming head to head mattered in one place, but not the other. And that's wrong. I never claimed head to head did not matter.

I have not dodged anything, because I've said the BU goes first that year, meaning they would get ranked ahead.

Why should BU have been ranked ahead of Ohio State? OSU had a better record, better schedule, outright conference championship, etc.

 

[Mean Purple]

Why should BU have been ranked ahead of Ohio State? OSU had a better record, better schedule, outright conference championship, etc.

Why are you trying to muddle away from the Miami ND debate? You went weak sauce and tried to claim I was not consistent on head to head. And you were wrong.

 

[Frozen Frog]

If you’re an ACC you should be pushing hard for Miami over ND! If Duke beats UVA there is a very good shot the ACC is left out entirely.

What’s ND’s signature win? What’s UT’s signature win? What’s A&M’s signature win? What’s Miami’s signature win? We seem to have a debate of bad wins vs. good losses.

I’m putting A&M in as host. They are a 1-loss team. I’m probably putting Miami over most other teams. Again they had some atrocious games, but I still think they earned it. I’d put UT over OU, but I’m not sure either deserves it. I think it’s a toss-up between UT and ND.

If BYU wins both then and TT are in. That might end a good chunk of this debate.

 

[Wexahu]

Why are you trying to muddle away from the Miami ND debate? You went weak sauce and tried to claim I was not consistent on head to head. And you were wrong.

Just answer my question.

I'm not muddling away from anything. Despite ND's 2-point loss at Miami, ND clearly has the better overall resume IMO. Their other loss was by 1 point to a CFP team and their average point margin vs other ACC opponents (wins only) was more than Miami's. I'm excluding the SMU game, which speaks for itself. Almost every single computer ranking favors ND, and some significantly.