Big V gonna get payde.
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Eight
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v had some issues last year at times ,but he definitely will land somewhere on an nfl rosters. tackles are just too valuable and hard to find.
what is really interesting is one of the names mentioned replacing peters at right tackle is the frogs own matt pryor
Eight
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not just offensive linemen, but offensive tackles specifically in cannon, newhouse, noteboom, collins, v, and pryor
OL has been by far the most underappreciated part of the success this team has had. The recruiting, the coaching and the execution, all of it. Those 2014-2017 teams we had, the guys doing the passing and the catching are all trying to barely hang on in the NFL/XFL (or some other minor league), and the big guys up front are still cashing big NFL checks. And virtually none of them were blue chip recruits.
Yet somehow the prevailing wisdom is that Anderson sucks as a coach and Cumbie is considered a really good QB coach, even if he isn't much of an OC. I don't get it.
Froggish
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Most fans couldn’t spot a good OL coach. I have no idea if Anderson is any good but I know he won’t be any worse than Thomsen. The Cumbie QB stuff is ridiculous. He’s recruited the position well but beyond that there is not a grain of evidence he can develop anyone well.
jake102
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Boykin went from awful to remarkable under Cumbie.
For the record, I'm not a Cumbie defender. He should have been fired after the WVU game, IMO. But he did have success with Boykin
BrewingFrog
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With the passage of years, I have come to believe that the Boykin situation was one of a blind pig finally finding an acorn: All Boykin needed was a system better suited to his talents. He got it, and flourished. Probably helped that he had an outstanding receiver in Doctson, too.
Sonny should have had security escorting him to the front door on the 23rd of September last season, with all his crap piled into a box. I think the best thing Jerry Kill could do is put a shock collar on Sonny, and have it activated by pressing a big red button on a bracelet that Jerry wears. All Kill need do is raise the bracelet and point to the button. "Just you go ahead and call that fade. Go ahead..."
ZZZzzzt!
Froggish
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Boykin made a great jump in 14 but I could make a very good case that it had very little to do with Cumbie. I think people presumptively give that credit to him because of the timing but I don’t believe it.
jake102
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Go for it. I don't know what else you can really credit besides the addition of Meach/Cumbie.
Also worth noting Boykin was doing fine in the NFL pre-issues, he wasn't just a system guy.
CountryFrog
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It's a known rule that Cumbie is only to blame for bad things and anything good is in spite of him. And we all know how it will play out with Max. If he ends up not being good then it'll be SC's fault. If he ends up being great then it'll be because Max's dad made him great.
It could be possible that he did a really good job with a really talented QB in Boykin and simply hasn't done as well since then. I see no need to retroactively declare SC bad in 2014 and 2015 just because of things that have happened since then. At the very least he deserves credit for keeping Boykin out of trouble for almost 2 full seasons.
Also, Big V. Staying on topic...
It could be possible that he did a really good job with a really talented QB in Boykin and simply hasn't done as well since then. I see no need to retroactively declare SC bad in 2014 and 2015 just because of things that have happened since then. At the very least he deserves credit for keeping Boykin out of trouble for almost 2 full seasons.
Also, Big V. Staying on topic...
WhatTheFrog
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No mention of KHill's senior season? Was that due to, or in spite of, Cumbie? Meacham was gone by then.
You can credit Boykin. Honestly, I don't think it was coaching/development of the player as much as it was just getting the offense spread out to open things up, and letting a guy that had good athleticism and instincts kind of do his thing. Plus as it turns out he had about 4 NFL lineman blocking for him.
If Duggan ends up being great, trust me, Cumbie will get plenty of credit.
IMO that was due mostly to the offense being dumbed down once they realized that relying on KH to win games through the air wasn't going to work. Check out Hill's stats that year against teams not named Jackson State, SMU and Kansas, we mostly won in spite of our passing game.
Purp
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That was b/c of Anderson.
Froggish
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1. Simply Maturation and Growth. Cumbie inherits a starter with double digit starts under his belt entering his 3rd year and for the first time its his team and his team alone. He is QB1 getting ALL the reps.
2. Brand New QB Friendly offense that caters to his physical gifts. Spread the field and throw quick reads. Cant even mention this without also mentioning the bafoonery of an OC situation we were left with when Fuente left. Comically bad
3. Supporting Cast - The team we fielded in 13 was incredibly young. 14 we returned 3 of our top 4 RBs and 9 WRs. They all matured and we added this guy you might have heard of the that would turn into a 1st round draft choice at WR.
6 OL who had starts under the belt didn’t hurt
4. Def was savage. I could elaborate but
Cumbie obviously helped but he was a very small reason for Boykin success. In fact Is credit Meachum and his offense more than Cumbie. The kid had big time legs and arm and we put him in an explosive offense that helped him showcase both. Combine that with the fact that he had played a ton by 14, he was bound to breakout.
For the Kenny Hill in 17 crowd...We had an offensive scheme overhaul. He was Senior, and like Boykin who had 20 starts under his belt. If Cumbie was a QB whisperer, why did it take Kenny 3 years in the system to find any consistency? He was learning for a whole year in 15..Again Cumbie is a great guy but a QB guru he is not..
CountryFrog
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So now that bashing Jamie Dixon isn't currently an option the board has to revert back to Cumbie. I'm sure Schloss will get a turn soon.
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