Anyone See This? Grounding in End Zone Not Called

[NewFrogFan]

4) With TCU leading by a 13-7 score early in the fourth quarter, Michigan State's Connor Cook threw a pass out of bounds from the end zone. Remember that hash marks do not appear in the end zone, which can make it difficult to determine if a quarterback is in the pocket or not. The play originated near the right-side hashmark on the field. Replays showed that Cook did not drift more than three yards from the hashmarks, keeping him inside the tackle box. A safety should have been ruled on the play, but it wasn't. In a one-point game, yeah, that kind of call matters

Seems like I remember the play but just missed the non-call................what a difference 2 points would have made. This from CFN.

 

[East Coast]

That was a close one, and I remember wondering about it. Officiating did not cost us this game. I thought it was our best officiated game of the year.

 

[Punter1]

I said it was grounding and a saftey immediately...but the crap announcers only said since it got to the LOS that it wasn't.

He CEARLY was not outside the tackle box and it should have been a safety.

And asfar as that being a well officiated game...then...nevermind...

 

[FROGLEGHOP]

Is there anything about throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage in that rule? It seems like the ref indicated that since the ball went past the line of scrimmage it was not a safety.

 

[Bonner4Prez]

Tried telling y'all last night. Fix was in...AGAIN.

 

[arlington]

In that situation he has to be outside the tackle box AND get the ball to the LOS..On tv all we saw was the sack they never showed where the ball landed. If the ball didnt get to the LOS it doesnt matter that he was outside the tackle box,

 

[JogginFrog]

Also, did anyone notice the replay on the first MSU play after the muffed punt? The ref made a point to say that the throw-away shuttle pass went beyond the line of scrimmage, but the replay angle from behind the quarterback showed the ball going out of bounds just outside the 5 yard line (LOS was the 4). Spartans may have still scored a TD on that possession, but intentional grounding there would have been well justified.

 

[TxFrog1999]

Also, did anyone notice the replay on the first MSU play after the muffed punt? The ref made a point to say that the throw-away shuttle pass went beyond the line of scrimmage, but the replay angle from behind the quarterback showed the ball going out of bounds just outside the 5 yard line (LOS was the 4). Spartans may have still scored a TD on that possession, but intentional grounding there would have been well justified.

I believe the line of Scrimmage extends out of bounds, so it's not where the ball crosses out of bounds but where it lands that makes the difference. On the safety call the ball went past the LOS but the QB was still inside the tackle box, therefore it should have been grounding and two points.

 

[JogginFrog]

I believe the line of Scrimmage extends out of bounds, so it's not where the ball crosses out of bounds but where it lands that makes the difference. On the safety call the ball went past the LOS but the QB was still inside the tackle box, therefore it should have been grounding and two points.

OK, that makes sense. That latter pass probably did get to the LOS then before it hit the turf.

 

[TopFrog]

The replay showed he took a couple of steps to his right and threw. Not sure about being outside the tackle box but likely on the edge of it. The ball made it past the LOS.

 

[ReedFrawg]

I watched the replay immediately. The snap was from the right hash. On the replay, when the defender made first contact with the QB he was no more than 1 yard to the right of the hash. It was very clearly intentional grounding...not even close.

 

[Tom Brown]

Par for the course this season.

 

[Hunt Together]

He was directly behind the right guard and inside the right tackle. Definitely should have been ruled a safety.

 

[ReedFrawg]

He was directly behind the right guard and inside the right tackle. Definitely should have been ruled a safety.

Are refs ever held accountable for these typed of decisions? I am sure they review penalties, etc. but does someone ever watch this and tell the ref "you blew this call"?

 

[tcudoc]

They definitely blew that call. Patterson knew it too. He was immediately making the safety arm signal on the sideline. Just one of the multitude of things that could have gone differently to change the outcome of the game.

 

[tcujsauce]

I was fairly livid at the game. MSU fan and a couple ASU guys said "ehhhh that was really close". I responded with "It was only really close if the ref was giving him the smallest 'tackle box' in the history of football". They laughed. I did not.