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Another Expansion Update - GT to the B1G?

Genbukan

Full Member
I know a lot of you guys think "The Dude" just throws crap against the wall - but even when he's wrong on some specifics in his predictions he does have a pulse on the issues driving expansion.

A couple of nuggets from his latest update....

"Earlier in the year I wrote that it was the ACC’s TV contract with ESPN that opened the door for FSU and Clemson to flirt with the Big 12. That contract, which was widely reported to contain provisions that deferred substantial payments until 2027, was rumored to begin at $14 million per year and increase by $500,000 until the annual disbursement reached $17 million in the 7[sup]th[/sup] year of the contract and then hold at $17 million for the final eight years with the remainder payable at contract closeout.

That alone would have been enough to spur wandering eyes but Maryland’s recent departure from the ACC hints it may have been worse.
Maryland officials told reporters from the Washington Post the ACC contract paid annual revenues of $15 million for 15 years with a sizeable payment at the end of the contract that raised the average payout, through the lifespan of the agreement, to $17 million per year."


"As for the Big 12 expansion plans it has been made clear they are happy with 10 members and will not consider expansion unless candidates offer additional TV revenue.
Yet sources at WVU indicate the Big 12 has made a push to add FSU, Clemson, Miami and even GT."


"I cannot confirm it but a usually reliable source has told me the Big 12 has offered to contribute $25 million each to FSU and Miami’s buyout whatever it may be."

http://www.eersauthority.com/expansion-update-georgia-tech-on-the-clock-the-big-12-makes-a-push/
 

Delmonico

Semi-Omnipotent Being
Tracing these back, they all seem to point back to the WV guy above as the point of origin.

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2012/11/30/3710442/georgia-tech-approved-by-big-ten-conference-expansion

The first came yesterday evening when a West Virginia Mountaineers blog of all places reported that movement could be in the works:

Sources at Ohio State University tell me that GT has already applied to the Big 10 and received an offer. If that's true I would expect GT to decide shortly after the ACC championship game.
 

Delmonico

Semi-Omnipotent Being
The Big 12 needs to get moving quick or risk getting left behind and vulnerable.

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Limey Frog

Full Member
If that's true about GT, it sucks. If events are going to push Clemson and FSU toward our league I would very much have liked GT to come along. It can't possibly hurt to have Atlanta as part of your conference footprint, especially now that the SEC has a vastly expanded alumni presence in the DFW market.
 

West Texas Frog

Active Member
Crazier things have already happened in the conference alignment craze, but did some wild thinking...

Big 10 adds Ga. Tech and Virginia (16 total)
SEC responds by adding Virginia Tech and either North Carolina or NC State (16 total)
Pac 12 jumps on board with the mega conference concept (there idea to begin with remember) and goes after UT, OU, Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech. Current agreement signed by all members causes major complications. Lawyers get involved.
ACC in the meantime becomes desperate and tries to keep the remaining schools from leaving for the Big 12 by going after some of the Big East and some of the little six in the Big 12.
Big 12 is also fighting for survival in case they lose the big four and goes after Florida St., Clemson, NC State or NC, Miami (Fla.) Duke and Wake Forest. They can't get to 16 just yet and are at 12. Who knows who the last four could be...maybe these schools Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College and Cincinnati.
 

macaroni

Member
Pretty easy to eliminate schools from consideration for the Big 10 if they do not have AAU distinction.

I'm not sure the conventional wisdoms regarding academics will hold up in the final rounds of realignment. There was a time when the ACC would have never considered Louisville. B1G may ultimately be more interested in network market shares, but GT gives them both AAU and the Atlanta market.
 

macaroni

Member
Crazier things have already happened in the conference alignment craze, but did some wild thinking...

Big 10 adds Ga. Tech and Virginia (16 total)
SEC responds by adding Virginia Tech and either North Carolina or NC State (16 total)
Pac 12 jumps on board with the mega conference concept (there idea to begin with remember) and goes after UT, OU, Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech. Current agreement signed by all members causes major complications. Lawyers get involved.
ACC in the meantime becomes desperate and tries to keep the remaining schools from leaving for the Big 12 by going after some of the Big East and some of the little six in the Big 12.
Big 12 is also fighting for survival in case they lose the big four and goes after Florida St., Clemson, NC State or NC, Miami (Fla.) Duke and Wake Forest. They can't get to 16 just yet and are at 12.

Pac can't go after a school in a GOR arrangement without threatening their own GOR stability. The ACC is the only major conference that can be targeted at this time.
 

Delmonico

Semi-Omnipotent Being
Pac can't go after a school in a GOR arrangement without threatening their own GOR stability. The ACC is the only major conference that can be targeted at this time.

Plus the primary reason the last Pac 12 gambit failed still exists - LHN. Plus, all the Big 12 schools have sold their Tier 3 rights in the meantime. Contracts are breakable, but that's more contracts than the Pac 12 will want to deal with.
 

macaroni

Member
You are correct, but deals are made to be broken. Money always talks. Just look around at all of the evidence.

There is no evidence, no one has tried to contest a GOR conference arrangement in court. There is truly nothing to negotiate. The Big 12 owns the media rights of UT, OU, TT and OSU for the next 13 years. They can go, but every broadcast penny they make for the next 13 years doesn't go to them, it goes to the Big 12. You are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. And again, if the Pac tries to attack a GOR in court, they threaten their own arrangement.
 
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