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JimSwinkLives!

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Big Ten expansion may result in 16-team league
<H2></H2>By MIKE CARMIN[email protected] • April 18, 2010



During last week's teleconference featuring the 11 Big Ten Conference football coaches, the topic of expansion was addressed. Basically, expansion is on the horizon.

"I think expansion is coming," Penn State coach Joe Paterno said.

In December, the Big Ten announced it would explore the idea of expanding during the next 12 to 18 months. However, the Chicago Tribune reported in today's edition that an accelerated timetable has emerged.

Numerous reports, nearly all relying on anonymous sources, have indicated the league is open to adding anywhere from one to possibly five schools.

Is it hard to imagine the Big Ten as a 16-team league?

"No, I can't," Purdue sixth-year linebacker Jason Werner said, shaking his head. "In the future, a lot of things change. It's hard to picture that at the moment."

Along with generating more revenue for each of the league's athletic departments, football is the driving force.

The addition of one or more schools would allow the Big Ten to stage a conference championship game, similar to those held by the Atlantic Coast, Southeastern and Big 12 conferences, and creating another revenue stream.

With a title game, the football season would conclude the first weekend of December, keeping the Big Ten in the national football conversation.

"You feel left out," Purdue fifth-year receiver Keith Smith said. "I would love the fact if they could have a championship game and do it like that. It hurts the Big Ten not having that extra week of playing games."

One remedy would be for the league to extend its regular season through the first weekend of December. Expansion, though, appears to be carrying more momentum.

"I'm a proponent of expansion and playing a championship game," Minnesota coach Tim Brewster said.

Not every coach is favor of making the Big Ten the Big 16.

"I'm more of a traditionalist," Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald said. "I'm not one to say we need to keep up with the Joneses. The Big Ten product is as competitive as it's ever been."

The trend in college athletics is moving toward bigger conferences with bigger potential for revenues to combat the rising costs of salaries and expenses.

The Pacific-10 is exploring expansion, maybe adding two schools to the West Coast-based league.



"I think there are going to be 12-, 14-team, maybe even 16-team conferences," Paterno said. "We're naive if we think we can sit back and watch everybody else move ahead."

In February, Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez said 15 schools were being considered but didn't name them. Alvarez said at the time that Texas and Notre Dame were not on the list.

That leaves speculation centering on any football playing school from the Big East (Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, etc.) and Missouri from the Big 12.

If the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors gives the OK to expansion, it would mark the first time the league added a member since Penn State joined in 1990.

Paterno said the academic component and research is an important part of the discussion.

"We have to get people in our conference who are in the AAU (Association of American Universities), who have the same kind of commitment academically," Paterno said.

"We need to bring in some people who have comprehensive athletic programs, women's sports and broad-based men's programs. We're not just looking at football and basketball. We're looking at all the other sports so we can really mesh.

"It's not a question of bringing in someone you can kick around
 

Stiff Arm Frog

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15 teams being considered? Wonder if TCU or even SMU is on that list.

Both have solid academics, and you've gotta think they'd like a piece of DFW.

Even if we got an offer, I'd rather stay in the Mountain West. Didn't we leave the WAC because 16 teams turned out to be too many?
 

Delmonico

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QUOTE(Stiff Arm Frog @ Apr 19 2010, 04:25 PM) [snapback]546954[/snapback]
15 teams being considered? Wonder if TCU or even SMU is on that list.

Both have solid academics, and you've gotta think they'd like a piece of DFW.



Not. A. Chance. In. Hell.
 

gdu

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QUOTE(Stiff Arm Frog @ Apr 19 2010, 09:25 PM) [snapback]546954[/snapback]
15 teams being considered? Wonder if TCU or even SMU is on that list.

Both have solid academics, and you've gotta think they'd like a piece of DFW.


not even close to B10 academics. And 'hell no' as to whether or not we are on the list.

QUOTE(Stiff Arm Frog @ Apr 19 2010, 09:25 PM) [snapback]546954[/snapback]
Even if we got an offer, I'd rather stay in the Mountain West. Didn't we leave the WAC because 16 teams turned out to be too many?

16 teams won't be too man if you have 4 16 team super conferences.
 

Houston Frog

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QUOTE(Stiff Arm Frog @ Apr 19 2010, 04:25 PM) [snapback]546954[/snapback]
15 teams being considered? Wonder if TCU or even SMU is on that list.

Gunner is worried sick about it
 

JimSwinkLives!

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QUOTE(froginaustin @ Apr 19 2010, 04:20 PM) [snapback]546950[/snapback]
Nothing new.


Re-read the article and pay particular attention to the second half.
 

AEAfrog

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QUOTE(Stiff Arm Frog @ Apr 19 2010, 03:25 PM) [snapback]546954[/snapback]
15 teams being considered? Wonder if TCU or even SMU is on that list.


The answer to that question is as simple as pointing out that neither school is in the AAU. That point seems to be dispositive with the Big 10 and renders any consideration of schools outside that organization moot.

QUOTE(Stiff Arm Frog @ Apr 19 2010, 03:25 PM) [snapback]546954[/snapback]
Even if we got an offer, I'd rather stay in the Mountain West. Didn't we leave the WAC because 16 teams turned out to be too many?


We left the WAC because it was gutted of the reason we were part of it in the first place. Staying with the San Jose and New Mexico States of the world was not an attractive option next to the shorter travel and superior play of Conference USA. The traditional WAC schools left because of the overcrowding, but that was not the reason for TCU's exit.
 

Opintel

Moderators
QUOTE(AEAfrog @ Apr 19 2010, 05:05 PM) [snapback]546983[/snapback]
The answer to that question is as simple as pointing out that neither school is in the AAU. That point seems to be dispositive with the Big 10 and renders any consideration of schools outside that organization moot.
We left the WAC because it was gutted of the reason we were part of it in the first place. Staying with the San Jose and New Mexico States of the world was not an attractive option next to the shorter travel and superior play of Conference USA. The traditional WAC schools left because of the overcrowding, but that was not the reason for TCU's exit.

Why are we not in the AAU? What does it offer that we do not need/want?

My ignorance of this subject needs to end. Ya'll hep a boy out here... :blush:
 

froginaustin

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QUOTE(JimSwinkLives! @ Apr 19 2010, 03:58 PM) [snapback]546977[/snapback]
Re-read the article and pay particular attention to the second half.

Maybe I've read an unhealthy amount of conference expansion speculation, or maybe I'm just a dullard this afternoon. But the whole article is the standard talking points including JoPa's usual shtick, with an "oh, yea, and the PAC may grow, too" tossed in for good measure.
 

ShivasFrog

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QUOTE(Opintel @ Apr 19 2010, 05:10 PM) [snapback]546985[/snapback]
Why are we not in the AAU?


Here's the link...

AAU

Key word is "research" institutions, like lots of graduate programs.
 

TCUFrogs

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QUOTE(JimSwinkLives! @ Apr 19 2010, 04:16 PM) [snapback]546948[/snapback]
"No, I can't," Purdue sixth-year linebacker Jason Werner said,


"You feel left out," Purdue fifth-year receiver Keith Smith said.



A joke? How many years do they play there?
 

Opintel

Moderators
QUOTE(ShivasFrog @ Apr 19 2010, 05:19 PM) [snapback]546990[/snapback]
Here's the link...

AAU

Key word is "research" institutions, like lots of graduate programs.

Oh...not an easy fix.

Thank you.
 

halfwaytoheaven

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QUOTE(AEAfrog @ Apr 19 2010, 05:05 PM) [snapback]546983[/snapback]
The answer to that question is as simple as pointing out that neither school is in the AAU. That point seems to be dispositive with the Big 10 and renders any consideration of schools outside that organization moot.


Not necessarily. Notre Dame isn't in the AAU, and they are certainly a candidate. It isn't a dealbreaker, but it sure helps.
 

MrTitleist

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If the Big 10 does indeed go to 16, I think we could officially mark the death of the Big East as a football conference. There just won't be anything left that anyone cares about.
 

fdub

New Member
the Big10's righteous bellyaching about academics totally cracks me up.

Does any sane person think Terrell Pryor is required to go to class? Turn in papers he writes himself? Pay back the cash money he pocketed as inducement to spurn Penn State and Michigan for the Buckeyes?

How many ways can you spell hayell no?

What a bunch of deluded jerks, those bimbos at the Big10. I wonder if they really think anybody believes all that braying about academics...
 

Endless Purple

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QUOTE(tcugdu @ Apr 19 2010, 04:37 PM) [snapback]546964[/snapback]
not even close to B10 academics.


If you are talking about graduate studies and research, I will agree. I will put my undergrad degree up against any Big 10 school or UT and know it is just as good or better than theirs.

QUOTE(tcugdu @ Apr 19 2010, 04:37 PM) [snapback]546964[/snapback]
16 teams won't be too man if you have 4 16 team super conferences.



That is true and also kinda scary. I like the smaller conferences. It gives more of a "personality" to each one as oppossed to one big bland mixture of teams.
 

mrnicefrog

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QUOTE(Endless Purple @ Apr 19 2010, 07:55 PM) [snapback]547039[/snapback]
If you are talking about graduate studies and research, I will agree. I will put my undergrad degree up against any Big 10 school or UT and know it is just as good or better than theirs.


+1

Private schools beat welfare government run schools anyday.
 
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