"...And then, it got worse."
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Mean Purple
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I'm gonna need someone to explain the difference between "chatter" and "buzz".
And what about "hum"? Which one of those falls under "the 411" and which is kept on " the down low"?
Mean Purple
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oh, come on. you can't just leave that hanging out there. what did she say?
Mean Purple
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what bowl game do we get for press conferences? I mean, [ Finebaum ], Sonny spews a load of it. But, hey, he sounds good.
Well gosh almighty, where's the trophy for that?
Mean Purple
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really enjoyed that. Matthew did a great job.
OK, I get your point but..........there is no Texas or Oklahoma now,,,,,,,,,,the conf. is weaker, Wouldn't you agree?
AroundWorldFrog
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TopFrog
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A hummer is down low.
Well, yes, I do. But as far as our ability to compete within the conference I don't think it's any easier for TCU, and it's arguably more difficult. We lost a lot when those two programs left the league, the most obvious way being our ability to attract players. Both financially and in our no longer being able to have those games against OU and UT every year as a carrot. That's one of the things that get lost....it's not as simple as "well, we were the 3rd, 4th or 5th best program in the old Big 12 and now since UT and OU aren't there we should easily slide into that 1st, 2nd, or 3rd position in the new Big 12, because we've clearly been better than the BYU, Houston, UCF, Cincy, and the leftover PAC schools.
With the exception of Tech (and we all know why they are much better) the holdovers as a group haven't really fared any better than they did when UT and OU were in the league. It's about dead even. Kansas and Iowa State (and Tech) have done much better, Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma State have done worse. K-State, WVU have done about the same. Ask Mike Gundy or Dave Aranda about how easy it is to win in this new Big 12.
With OU and UT in our league, we had a structural advantage against ISU, WVU, Kansas, K-State and Tech (and arguably Baylor as well). Now the conference is full of programs that are generally all on about equal footing.
Yeah, I like bringing up records. There is some context of course and things need to be graded on a curve relative to certain factors, the main one being where a guy coaches.
But yeah, I think actual W/L records are more telling than the biased opinions of a bunch of armchair QBs.
OK we have our opinions but I thought when OU and Texas left, we should be 1, 2, or 3 every year. But I must admit that's when I was on Hornedfrog.blitz which was 50-1 in that line of thinking..........shows what longtime associatiojs will do.
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Well, I think that was pretty naive thinking, and I think the outcomes have shown that.
Mean Purple
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And considering UT when from that and into the SEC and just started winning most of it's conf games, doesn't bode well for the SEC.
In your opinion what conference is the best? The Big 10? The Big 12? ACC?
It's funny, TCU fans like to [ Finebaum ] on the current staff and talk about how much easier it should be to win in the new Big 12 relative to the old one, but then they also get pissed when anyone criticizes the new Big 12.
Well Wex, now you can see with this discussion as a perfect example why I left Hornedfrogblitz.com and came back over here where there is no cheerleading constantly every day. But on the other hand, I think Texas and OU are more powerful as football programs than Cinn. and ICF.
They absolutely are. But us not being in the same conference as OU and UT hurt our program, and I would argue that it hurt ours more than it hurt ISU, WVU, Kansas and K-State since we are in the same backyard as UT and OU.
To your point though.....let's be honest, UT was an absolute mess and was massively underachieving for about half of the 10 years we were conference mates. They certainly weren't "powerful" those years, I think they only finished a season in the Top 25 a couple times.
tmcats
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it's more than a magical spell. some teams adjust to the prep and travel and travel back and jet lag and prep and so on. others don't.
last year k-state had a solid outfit. it should have been competing for a championship. but with that ireland loss to iowa state it felt like some of the emotion went sour and maybe some of the guys checked out. in the end it was a bad beginning that eventually broke chris klieman, a very fine man and excellent coach. thus, here we sit with our favored son taking the reins.
in my view, it's not a curse, it's an illogical "home team" choice to start with, compounded by a lot of uniqueness that has a negative impact on one team or the other. sometimes both. unc wasn't exactly stellar either.
I could be wrong but i don't recall GP ever beating OU when Riley was there.
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No, he didn't. He was 0-5 against Riley and lost by an average of 18 points per game. But OU was really good in those years, they never lost more than 2 games.
