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Wexahu

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At 14:15 Sonny is asked a question about NIL and states he doesn’t understand how universities are publicly stating that they are spending 15, 20 or 25 million on NIL since the rules would seem to prohibit that. He states we are trying to kind-a figure it out and get to the bottom of it.
I hate the term "NIL". It's so misleading. These aren't Name Image Likeness deals that are getting done, they are pay for play contracts.

As far as I can tell, there is nothing to figure out. They can makes all the rules they want, but if nobody will or can enforce them what difference does it make? Go scrounge up as money as you can and divvy it out as you see appropriate and see where that gets you, that's about all you can do.
 

Dogfrog

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Probably too many boosters from days gone by that don’t want SD to succeed. It is what it is.
Disagree completely. Doubt you are in position to judge what TCU alums think. That would be like saying you support SD because you want us to return to mediocrity.
 

HornyWartyToad

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At 14:15 Sonny is asked a question about schools spending above the 20.5 Revenue Share and Dykes states he doesn’t understand how universities are publicly stating that they are spending an additional 15, 20 or 25 million above the 20.5 Revenue Share since the rules would seem to prohibit that. He states we are trying to kind-a figure it out and get to the bottom of it.
So either he knows more than he is saying, or he’s admitting he’s not in on the joke. Hmmmmm. . .
 

Wexahu

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Disagree completely. Doubt you are in position to judge what TCU alums think. That would be like saying you support SD because you want us to return to mediocrity.
Oh, I think there is definitely a group of boosters (former boosters, maybe) that didn't like Donati and especially the way he let GP go, and by extension don't like SD, and aren't really going to jump back into the pool so to speak until Dykes is gone. They are GP guys and the obvious conflict is there. I think it's silly to pretend there isn't some division there.

This "return to mediocrity" that gets attached to SD is dumb.
 

Dogfrog

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Oh, I think there is definitely a group of boosters (former boosters, maybe) that didn't like Donati and especially the way he let GP go, and by extension don't like SD, and aren't really going to jump back into the pool so to speak until Dykes is gone. They are GP guys and the obvious conflict is there. I think it's silly to pretend there isn't some division there.

This "return to mediocrity" that gets attached to SD is dumb.
The mediocrity comment was part of a simile. It was time for Gary to go but your disdain for what he accomplished is just an act to stir things up IMO, which seems to be your goal.
 

Wexahu

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The mediocrity comment was part of a simile. It was time for Gary to go but your disdain for what he accomplished is just an act to stir things up IMO, which seems to be your goal.
I don't have a disdain for what he accomplished. What he accomplished up until 2015 was great. I have a disdain for people that pretend like our slide into mediocrity is a recent thing, and because of SD. Generally, we've been pretty damn mediocre since 2016, and the return to mediocrity happened under GP. That's just a fact, I don't know why people are so hesitant to acknowledge that.

I'm admittedly probably not as big a GP fan as some of you. He was a GREAT coach for awhile, flat out loved watched his defenses from the start until really all the way up until a few years from the end. He also got really full of himself and petty, and I think the way he handled his exit was kind of embarrassing. And I think the going to UT thing was really embarrassing for him, but honestly I didn't care about that either.
 

Dogfrog

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I don't have a disdain for what he accomplished. What he accomplished up until 2015 was great. I have a disdain for people that pretend like our slide into mediocrity is a recent thing, and because of SD. Generally, we've been pretty damn mediocre since 2016, and the return to mediocrity happened under GP. That's just a fact, I don't know why people are so hesitant to acknowledge that.

I'm admittedly probably not as big a GP fan as some of you. He was a GREAT coach for awhile, flat out loved watched his defenses from the start until really all the way up until a few years from the end. He also got really full of himself and petty, and I think the way he handled his exit was kind of embarrassing. And I think the going to UT thing was really embarrassing for him, but honestly I didn't care about that either.
You arrived here to argue his 2014 team didn’t belong in the playoff. Admittedly it was debatable but strange timing for a TCU football fan.
 

NovaScotiaFrog

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I don't have a disdain for what he accomplished. What he accomplished up until 2015 was great. I have a disdain for people that pretend like our slide into mediocrity is a recent thing, and because of SD. Generally, we've been pretty damn mediocre since 2016, and the return to mediocrity happened under GP. That's just a fact, I don't know why people are so hesitant to acknowledge that.
Why do we keep pretending that 2017 didn't happen? Top 10 finish and a CCG berth is not mediocre, and the graduating class of 2017 saw a 4 year record of 40-13. Not mediocre at all overall.

It's more accurate to say that our slide began in 2018.
 

Wexahu

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You arrived here to argue his 2014 team didn’t belong in the playoff. Admittedly it was debatable but strange timing for a TCU football fan.
I don't know the exact timing, I thought I was here prior to that, but I know I wasn't arguing that we didn't belong before the actual results came out, because prior to that final weekend I thought we were in and I agreed with that, despite you claiming otherwise. I was watching those games on that Saturday night thinking, oh [ Finebaum ], this is not good at all. If you can go dig up some posts that claim otherwise, feel free but you won't find them. I very well could have come on here for the first time after the selection show to see what was being said, and chimed in with my opinion, which obviously was very unpopular and how I became so hated on here. But in all honestly, I don't know exactly how all that went down it was so long ago. I know you couldn't stand me, I do know that, lol.

And believe it or not, I posted on the Baylor board for a bit back around then and got permanently banned (for being a Frog homer). I was disputing the HTH argument they were claiming and they didn't care much for it.

I know I annoy the hell out of people on here, but I have fun with it and I really don't think I post much that is total BS or get too personal like some do on here, but that's for others to decide of course.
 

Wexahu

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Why do we keep pretending that 2017 didn't happen? Top 10 finish and a CCG berth is not mediocre, and the graduating class of 2017 saw a 4 year record of 40-13. Not mediocre at all overall.

It's more accurate to say that our slide began in 2018.
I'm not pretending that it didn't happen. It was a very good year. Probably our weakest "Top 10" team that we ever had in the GP era, but still a very good year. If you want to say 2018, that's fine, I just think the slide and the cracks started to show in '16.

I think people like to pretend 2022 didn't happen to, but who cares.
 

Dogfrog

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I'm not pretending that it didn't happen. It was a very good year. Probably our weakest "Top 10" team that we ever had in the GP era, but still a very good year. If you want to say 2018, that's fine, I just think the slide and the cracks started to show in '16.

I think people like to pretend 2022 didn't happen to, but who cares.
Who pretends 2022 didn’t happen?
 

NovaScotiaFrog

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I'm not pretending that it didn't happen. It was a very good year. Probably our weakest "Top 10" team that we ever had in the GP era, but still a very good year. If you want to say 2018, that's fine, I just think the slide and the cracks started to show in '16.

I think people like to pretend 2022 didn't happen to, but who cares.
I think 2005 is probably our weakest Top 10 team of the GP era, but I get what you're saying. 2017 wasn't on the same level as 2014 or even 2015 really.

I've never heard anyone suggest that 2022 didn't happen. Only that one season does not a good coaching career make (see Gene Chizik).
 
Generally, we've been pretty damn mediocre since 2016, and the return to mediocrity happened under GP. That's just a fact, I don't know why people are so hesitant to acknowledge that.
2017 TCU finished #9 in the AP, with an 11-3 (7-2) record, a Top Ten team in the country, so saying 2016 was the beginning of mediocrity is not accurate, not a “fact.” Patterson was medicore for 3.5 seasons (2018-21) before being fired. Maybe you are bending the truth, not being factual, because next year will be year 5 for Dykes, or just to needle again about Patterson.

A huge part of that 3.5 year slide was not having a good QB - can’t be better than mediocre without one, and that should have been accounted for when evaluating the cause of the slide and Patterson. In the end, Patterson was showing stress - maybe from the locker room comment, appearing to lose the locker room/team in 2021 and maybe disagreement with young “snotti” Donati.
 
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Wexahu

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I think 2005 is probably our weakest Top 10 team of the GP era, but I get what you're saying. 2017 wasn't on the same level as 2014 or even 2015 really.

I've never heard anyone suggest that 2022 didn't happen. Only that one season does not a good coaching career make (see Gene Chizik).
Outside of that one year Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State and 19-19 at Auburn.

Any comparison of Chizik to SD are totally unfair to SD. Not that you were necessarily comparing those two, but if you really look at Dykes record relative to where he coached and what he inherited at those places, it's not bad. It's much better than the narrative. Like I said, he's kind of the anti Steve Sarkisian, whose record pales in comparison to his reputation.
 

NovaScotiaFrog

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Outside of that one year Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State and 19-19 at Auburn.

Any comparison of Chizik to SD are totally unfair to SD. Not that you were necessarily comparing those two, but if you really look at Dykes record relative to where he coached and what he inherited at those places, it's not bad. It's much better than the narrative. Like I said, he's kind of the anti Steve Sarkisian, whose record pales in comparison to his reputation.
Right, I think Chizik is a bad coach overall with one really really good year thanks mostly to the generational QB he had at the time. Dykes isn't that bad. I think he's more like a mediocre-to-decent coach overall with one really really good year thanks mostly to the generational QB he had at the time. Oh and one pretty good year if you include 2019.

I don't think either compares to GP's career overall, who was an excellent coach overall with a clear descent over the last 4 seasons of his career.
 
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Putt4Purple

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I don't know the exact timing, I thought I was here prior to that, but I know I wasn't arguing that we didn't belong before the actual results came out, because prior to that final weekend I thought we were in and I agreed with that, despite you claiming otherwise. I was watching those games on that Saturday night thinking, oh [ Finebaum ], this is not good at all. If you can go dig up some posts that claim otherwise, feel free but you won't find them. I very well could have come on here for the first time after the selection show to see what was being said, and chimed in with my opinion, which obviously was very unpopular and how I became so hated on here. But in all honestly, I don't know exactly how all that went down it was so long ago. I know you couldn't stand me, I do know that, lol.

And believe it or not, I posted on the Baylor board for a bit back around then and got permanently banned (for being a Frog homer). I was disputing the HTH argument they were claiming and they didn't care much for it.

I know I annoy the hell out of people on here, but I have fun with it and I really don't think I post much that is total BS or get too personal like some do on here, but that's for others to decide of course.

You must be retired or a multimillionaire business owner to live on this board and be the contrarian to most posters on here. You have the need for attention. You need help.
Go Frogs!
 

Mean Purple

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I don't have a disdain for what he accomplished. What he accomplished up until 2015 was great. I have a disdain for people that pretend like our slide into mediocrity is a recent thing, and because of SD. Generally, we've been pretty damn mediocre since 2016, and the return to mediocrity happened under GP. That's just a fact, I don't know why people are so hesitant to acknowledge that.

I'm admittedly probably not as big a GP fan as some of you. He was a GREAT coach for awhile, flat out loved watched his defenses from the start until really all the way up until a few years from the end. He also got really full of himself and petty, and I think the way he handled his exit was kind of embarrassing. And I think the going to UT thing was really embarrassing for him, but honestly I didn't care about that either.
2017 says hello
 
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