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KillerFrog InD KitchenSink

KillerFrog InD KitchenSink

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Zubaz said:
I think I described above my issue with "outsiders". Someone who fundamentally can't get stuff done because they don't know what they are doing or how to work with anyone, and just end up pissing and moaning about how "unfair" the system is not my preference, regardless of ideology.
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And tend to hire inexperienced staff who often are not competent and make mistakes. I get the appeal of "outsider" politicians- "Washington is corrupt", special interests have too much power, etc. But there has to be a balance. Too much inexperience leads to issues of its own. Plus I'm not sure inexperienced politicians really avoid the special interest and corruption pitfalls any better than experienced ones.
 
Dogfrog

Dogfrog

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TxFrog1999 said:
It's just how your statement came across. I was only asking for clarification.

I agree, Biden is the ultimate corrupt politician.
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Just trying to make the point that experience isn’t everything. We get on the topic of how important experience is because we don’t like Ramaswamy, forgetting that the worst President in history has 40+ years of insider experience. It’s not so open and shut.
 
TCURiggs

TCURiggs

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Zubaz said:
So what's his plan then? It's nice to lament the political machine and perceived enemies or whatever, but that's not what I think most people want a President to do. Let's say the impossible happens and he wins the election....what then? What's his plan to work with all of those elected Republican folks that he says are part of the "Establishment" (let alone the Democrats) to pass his legislative agenda or achieve his policy goals? Or is he just tilting and windmills the way Trump does?

That's what I never understand about the "I want an outsider" folks. I don't want an outsider, any more than I want Kirk Saarloos to be our football coach. I want someone that knows what the heck they are doing and how to get stuff done.
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If he were to win (impossible, I know) that would mean he would have raised incredible support among Republican voters, so those other elected Republican folk would be crazy not to try and work with him. Same for if Trump wins again. And if they wouldn't want to work with Trump or Vivek, then hopefully voters would take note and vote them out (a la Liz Cheney).

Either way, I want people like Vivek (and Trump, Gaetz, etc...) to keep changing the Republican party however they can. I hate the Republican establishment as much as I hate the Democratic establishment and I want it to be turned on it's head. The more the "America first" type of messages gets traction the better, IMO. The last outsider (who was the first outsider) did a pretty damn good job running the country, despite having the establishment and MSM fighting against him every day. I'd be good with another, more articulate and less divisive version of that. Keep plugging away with that type of message and policies, and hopefully we can keep weeding out the one's we need to.
 
Zubaz

Zubaz

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TCURiggs said:
The last outsider (who was the first outsider) did a pretty damn good job running the country, despite having the establishment and MSM fighting against him every day.
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Office Space No GIF


(I know we aren't going to agree on that, it's OK)
 
KillerFrog InD KitchenSink

KillerFrog InD KitchenSink

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TCURiggs said:
If he were to win (impossible, I know) that would mean he would have raised incredible support among Republican voters, so those other elected Republican folk would be crazy not to try and work with him. Same for if Trump wins again. And if they wouldn't want to work with Trump or Vivek, then hopefully voters would take note and vote them out (a la Liz Cheney).

Either way, I want people like Vivek (and Trump, Gaetz, etc...) to keep changing the Republican party however they can. I hate the Republican establishment as much as I hate the Democratic establishment and I want it to be turned on it's head. The more the "America first" type of messages gets traction the better, IMO. The last outsider (who was the first outsider) did a pretty damn good job running the country, despite having the establishment and MSM fighting against him every day. I'd be good with another, more articulate and less divisive version of that. Keep plugging away with that type of message and policies, and hopefully we can keep weeding out the one's we need to.
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Seems like most everything that Trump accomplished would have been accomplished by a generic establishment Republican, and it's not hard to argue an experienced politician would have gotten more of the Republican agenda through, especially the first two years.
 
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Wexahu

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TCURiggs said:
Very likely, as has been the case for decades outside of Trump. The D.C. war machine is a real thing. Just look at all the "generic establishment Republicans" that support the proxy war in Ukraine.
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The war drags on and on and the media just gets tired of covering it after a certain amount of time. What's the end goal? When is it going to end? When are we going to stop funding it?
 
Sweat Equity

Sweat Equity

Tier 1
Zubaz said:
The end goal is for Russia to be pushed back until it pulls its forces out of Ukraine, who they invaded.

Russia on the doorstep to Europe is unacceptable. We've seen that movie before.
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Yup and ppl too soon forget we signed this thing called the Trilateral Statement and Budapest Memorandum. I am quite sure Taiwan and Japan have been watching the U.S. commitment to Ukraine's security with a watchful eye.
 

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