Official Coaching Search Thread….

[vicarfrog]

He had started to modify some of his coaching habits, but you can't change the man.

Not to beat a dead horse, but what do you think are the similarities between Dykes and Patterson that we will appreciate, and what are some of the other differences that we will find exciting? Anything that we may find challenging?

 

[HFrog1999]

Vs

 

[Long Time Lurker]

Heard this exact thing from a big 12 ref at a bar in Omaha Airport... he was coming back from working an Iowa St scrimmage. He talked up Campbell and how professional he was... his approach to his players and coaches... I asked him what he thought of GP... he unloaded... said he didn't like how he spoke to his players but outright hated how he would treat his coaches in front of them.... absolutely dog-cussed them and degraded them.

Now I know why we never seemed to get the refs on our side. I thought everybody else was lining their pockets. I also thought maybe our players talked too much smack on the field or something. What’s funny about this is Gary would dog his own people more than he would the refs when it seemed like they were against us.

 

[McFroggin]

C. If some dumb drunk fan popped off at me, I'm not sure I would not feed him his teeth. (But I also think it is fun to put myself at risk on 1300 pound animals, so take it for what it's worth.)

Except that never happened. Take a different example:
You walk into someone else’s stadium chanting “We are #1” over and over again.
You lose.
An opposing fan says “Good job #1” sarcastically.

That isn’t “popping off at you”. If anything, it is throwing a dose of humility that you shouldn’t walk into someone else’s place bragging. It is not appropriate to curse and threaten to assault someone.

 

[OICU812]

*austere*

I’m looking forward to getting down to the coast during the holidays to pick up the makings for some austere dressing for Christmas dinner.

 

[vicarfrog]

Now I know why we never seemed to get the refs on our side. I thought everybody else was lining their pockets. I also thought maybe our players talked too much smack on the field or something. What’s funny about this is Gary would dog his own people more than he would the refs when it seemed like they were against us.

I think we need to be careful about turning Coach P into the Bogeyman lurking behind every corner of our problems.

No doubt, his time had come. But also no doubt, that for many years he got us to this point where we hated the taste of losing.

Let's be careful to neither hero worship nor turn him into some type of treacherous villain.

This post while a reply was not directed at you personally, but your post did get me thinking.

 

[East Coast]

Another fun one I forgot (that triggered lots of parents/recruits): "I'm always better when I have good players..." That was after the SMU game or something, GP publicly blamed the players for not being good enough... Went unnoticed by the press, not by the school or the team.

Gary increasingly threw his players under the bus, especially this year. It was a very sad look for him.

 

[fff91]

The way he berated his players and coaches was never OK. And that doesnt mean they are soft or cant take hard coaching. He just won enoough and was innovative enough and otherwise good enough for it not to be THE issue.

 

[Mean Purple]

Except that never happened. Take a different example:
You walk into someone else’s stadium chanting “We are #1” over and over again.
You lose.
An opposing fan says “Good job #1” sarcastically.

That isn’t “popping off at you”. If anything, it is throwing a dose of humility that you shouldn’t walk into someone else’s place bragging. It is not appropriate to curse and threaten to assault someone.

Oh, I can agree with that last part. Talk is cheap. Either step up and kick their ass or move one.

 

[Mean Purple]

Vs

One guy calling in plays to his defense for an adjustment.
Another guy getting his tail kicked at Cal.

Seriously, folks. This isn't soccer.

 

[Sweat Equity]

This did not age well.

 

[Wexahu]

This did not age well.

LOL.

Didn't exactly age real well.

 

[LisaLT]

After reading what GSR wrote, I'm just glad we have have moved on from the toxicity of where the program was headed under GP. By all appearances, I think the administration made the right hire, at the right time. Things are coming together nicely, and there is sense of renewed hope and vision that is a breath of fresh air.

I can't help but feel sad for GP. He really was his own worst enemy, and not very self aware - at least in the final years here.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

The 1-week delay (my words) in starting at TCU was regrettable, I've heard we may have missed on 1-2 preferred coordinators because of that wait, but it might not matter at the end of the day.

Do you know if Garrett Riley was the preferred first choice as offensive coordinator, and do you know anything more about misses?

 

[froginaustin]

Do you know if Garrett Riley was the preferred first choice as offensive coordinator, and do you know anything more about misses?

Really great question. I hope there's an answer GSR can give, without stepping on toes or otherwise causing collateral damage.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

Vs

I always appreciated Gary’s passion and energy and not having to question whether he was bringing his 100 percent. Dykes even remarked on that as eye-opening in one of his interviews this week—he noticed in 2017 Gary’s passion for coaching football, as if he himself had lost that at Cal, or might not have ever had as much—we won’t know with Sonny because he does not bubble on the surface like Gary. Dykes‘ 2017 recognition and this week‘s comment of this is noteworthy.

 

[TopFrog]

I believe staff were free to go find jobs elsewhere if they felt they were being mistreated by GP.

 

[What Up Toad]

Meanwhile, TCU's defense got worse, in part because GP refused to believe that A) His defense had been adapted to, B) He didn't want to believe CFB had changed and the best athletes were all playing offense only, and C) The guys who would come play just weren't able to pick things up like they used to, and GP/Chad/etc. couldn't break through.

In your opinion, was Patterson not trying to transition overlooked offensive athletes like he had in the past? Or was he still trying to recruit those types of athletes and they wanted to stick with playing offense even if it meant going to a G5 school?

 

[tyler durden]

The thing that I am liking about Sonny Dykes right now — I get this perception of Gary’s old mantra (which we seemed very far away from over the last handful of years) of Any One, Any Where, Any Time. It’s intangible. He hasn’t said it. Just a feeling I kind of get. Yeah I know the Big 12 changed things, but that chip on the shoulder went away and I missed it without realizing it was gone.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

I believe staff were free to go find jobs elsewhere if they felt they were being mistreated by GP.

And remember the interview of Cumbie before the Tech game this year--a question about what Gary meant to him, and he suddenly choked up and had to pause.