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Houston Chronicle: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference

If the ACC wants to add football value while going to 16 in their proud Atlantic coast footprint, they are short on options - UCF, USF, Cincinnati and West Virginia. Notre Dame’s brand is independence. The ACC is boxed in by the Big Ten and SEC. UCF could add football value, or at least top-shelf potential upside. Maybe the ACC doesn’t want to be perceived as “bullies” in the current ruffled atmosphere (the ACC stated “the Big 12 is important,” haha), but when they decide what’s best for them they will act accordingly. The SEC - maybe they decide they want UCF for a second Florida school.

BYU aside, most people probably feel UCF is the Big 12 expansion candidate with the highest ceiling. The largest school in the country with a rapidly growing alumni base for upside, a will to compete, the great Florida recruiting base, an energized fan base, good academia and a great campus on the edge of Orlando with space for continuing facility upgrades and parking. I suspect Orlando is delivering T-shirt fans who are proud of their city’s well designed campus, and having been captivated by their recent success.

A negative may be their stadium construction, opened in 2007 - cheap steel that had/has problems - defects and corrosion - a lawsuit at one point. It actually bounces, “The Bounce House,” with a full crowd doing their enjoyable part. It seats 44k and is expandable to 65k. But they now have plans to renovate and add needed standing room for students, premium seats, offices, player facilities, event space and a new tailgating “town square” - a “football campus.”

Some say UH and TCU would be value-adds for the PAC, so maybe UCF would add football value for the ACC; maybe the best available carrot, in the corner of the ACC and SEC garden, in Florida.

Stadium and facilities expansion here:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/spo...0210819-ejjq6cib2vag7jdb4har3bax4q-story.html
 
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asleep003

Active Member
If the ACC wants to add football value while going to 16 in their proud Atlantic Coast footprint, they are short on options - UCF, USF and West Virginia. Notre Dame is the other. The ACC is boxed in by the Big Ten and SEC. UCF could contribute football value to the ACC, at least top shelf potential. The SEC may want to add a second Florida school. Maybe they don’t want to be perceived as “bullies” in the current ruffled atmosphere (the ACC stated “the Big 12 is important,” haha) but, in time, power asserts as heads and strategy become clear.

BYU aside, probably most feel UCF is the best candidate for Big 12 expansion. The largest school in the country with a rapidly growing alumni base for upside, a will to compete, the great Florida recruiting base, an energized fan base, good academia and a great campus on the edge of Orlando with space for continuing facility upgrades and parking. I suspect Orlando is delivering T-shirt fans who are proud of their city’s well designed campus, and having been captivated by their recent success.

A negative may be their stadium construction, opened in 2007 - cheap steel that had/has problems - defects and corrosion - a lawsuit at one point. It actually bounces, “The Bounce House,” with a full crowd doing their enjoyable part. It seats 44k and is expandable to 65K. But they now have plans to renovate and add needed standing room for students, premium seats, offices, player facilities, event space and a new tailgating “town square” - a “football campus.”

Some say UH and TCU would be value-adds for the PAC, so maybe UCF would add football value for the ACC; maybe the best available carrot, in the corner of the ACC and SEC garden, in Florida.

Stadium and facilities expansion here:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/spo...0210819-ejjq6cib2vag7jdb4har3bax4q-story.html
WVU brings absolutely nothing, but foot print, to ACC. They're at the very bottom of FB revenue of the Power 5 schools(#65) and has a smaller population than Idaho !
 

Salfrog

Tier 1
Here's a question that may have been answered in one of these expansion threads. With OUT officially announcing that they are leaving the conference, do they still get their conference $ cut that every member gets annually from TV, bowl, and tournament revenue? If so, why should they receive anything since they are lame duck members the moment they announced they were going to the SEC? Shouldn't & wouldn't their cuts be divided evenly between the other 8 schools? Was just curious about that.
 

Longhorn from Aledo

Active Member
Here's a question that may have been answered in one of these expansion threads. With OUT officially announcing that they are leaving the conference, do they still get their conference $ cut that every member gets annually from TV, bowl, and tournament revenue? If so, why should they receive anything since they are lame duck members the moment they announced they were going to the SEC? Shouldn't & wouldn't their cuts be divided evenly between the other 8 schools? Was just curious about that.

We still bring in over half of the viewing audience, that's why. The GOR is about early exit money.
 

CountryFrog

Active Member
We still bring in over half of the viewing audience, that's why. The GOR is about early exit money.
Texas really is the Dallas Cowboys of college football. No amount of mediocrity will keep people from watching and thinking they'll be good next year.

"We finally got a great coach! That was the only problem and we fixed it! Just wait and see! And oh man, this QB who has never started a game is the next Vince Young! Trust us!"
 

Longhorn from Aledo

Active Member
Texas really is the Dallas Cowboys of college football. No amount of mediocrity will keep people from watching and thinking they'll be good next year.

"We finally got a great coach! That was the only problem and we fixed it! Just wait and see! And oh man, this QB who has never started a game is the next Vince Young! Trust us!"

Texas has been plagued with poor leadership at the top. Rick Perry stuffed our BOR with aggy sympathisers. We also did ourselves no favors with Steve Patterson and Mike Perrin as ADs. Our BOR has changed and we have silenced the liberal trouble makers on campus. We are 3-4 years out from competing for an SEC championship and playoff birth. All other Texas sports outside football are top 5 except women's soccer.

Texas gonna win the final ever matchup between TCU and Texas.
 

Peacefrog

Degenerate
63-27-1

Maybe you are too young to remember. It's ok.
I don’t think age has anything to do with a discussion about games played in the Big 12. But you knew that.

It’s hilarious to me that you go on another team’s board to puff up your feathers about your team. We get it. UT is a big name. You must be feeling insecure about that, though, to feel the need to be here for any reason.

Regardless, whether UT stays one more year or the full four, they will leave with a losing record against TCU in Big 12 play. All the money and resources won’t stop that.

We will always have the memory of a 30 point first quarter against your superior talent and money.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Texas has been plagued with poor leadership at the top. Rick Perry stuffed our BOR with aggy sympathisers. We also did ourselves no favors with Steve Patterson and Mike Perrin as ADs. Our BOR has changed and we have silenced the liberal trouble makers on campus. We are 3-4 years out from competing for an SEC championship and playoff birth. All other Texas sports outside football are top 5 except women's soccer.

Texas gonna win the final ever matchup between TCU and Texas.

“3-4 years out” sounds a lot like “wait 2 weeks”.

Been hearing it for over a decade.
 

Peacefrog

Degenerate
Texas has been plagued with poor leadership at the top. Rick Perry stuffed our BOR with aggy sympathisers. We also did ourselves no favors with Steve Patterson and Mike Perrin as ADs. Our BOR has changed and we have silenced the liberal trouble makers on campus. We are 3-4 years out from competing for an SEC championship and playoff birth. All other Texas sports outside football are top 5 except women's soccer.

Texas gonna win the final ever matchup between TCU and Texas.
I don’t remember the men’s basketball team being in the top five. I must be too young to remember March 2021.
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
63-27-1

Maybe you are too young to remember. It's ok.

Ancient history is great. Yale, Princeton, University of Chicago were all good at one point too. Agreed TCU sucked as did most of the SWC. The orange plague generally had one conference game a year against a team close to them with any talent like Arkansas. But then UT padded it’s roster before recruiting limits. Quality talent in Texas was was apparently more willing to sit on the bench than play somewhere else. UT built their faux blue blood status on crappy TCU, Rice, Baylor, SMU, A&M and Tech. UT’s lofty history was built on a lie, much as Norte Dame brags about all of its national championships, most of which came as they sat home watching on tv when they refused to play in bowls and watch other teams play and hand them NCs.

People rarely look beyond the numbers…
 

Longhorn from Aledo

Active Member
Ancient history is great. Yale, Princeton, University of Chicago were all good at one point too. Agreed TCU sucked as did most of the SWC. The orange plague generally had one conference game a year against a team close to them with any talent like Arkansas. But then UT padded it’s roster before recruiting limits. Quality talent in Texas was was apparently more willing to sit on the bench than play somewhere else. UT built their faux blue blood status on crappy TCU, Rice, Baylor, SMU, A&M and Tech. UT’s lofty history was built on a lie, much as Norte Dame brags about all of its national championships, most of which came as they sat home watching on tv when they refused to play in bowls and watch other teams play and hand them NCs.

People rarely look beyond the numbers…

That's some pretzel twisting.
 
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