• The KillerFrogs

Imagine if GP were this forward thinking...

Eight

Member
with clock management. Not the first time Vrabel has pulled off such a great move and outsmarted the other team. Does anyone think GP has spent 5 minutes thinking about such scenarios? He certainly doesn’t coach as if he has.

https://broadwaysportsmedia.com/how-mike-vrabels-intentional-penalty-saved-the-day-for-the-titans/

basically mike asks himself "what would bill o'brien do in this situation" and then he does just the opposite of it

he has also been exposed to some very good, very sharp head coaches who knew how to find the angles in the rules
 

ftwfrog

Active Member
GP is always forward thinking and focused on nothing but football!! Sounds like you need to “take a step back.”
 

MinFrog

Active Member
GP would try and limit them to a field goal instead of the touchdown to make his D look better. Winning the game is the OC's responsibility, GP's loyalty is to defensive stats only.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
CGP didn't even think of the safety vs UT. We had to call TO and another coach told him to do it.

I did think it was funny how Duggan said it's something they work on all the time, or something to that effect. Sure as heck didn't look like it, it was complete chaos on the sideline as to what we should be doing prior to the safety play.....and it really wasn't executed that well. Duggan's actions suggested he thought he had to step out of the back of the end zone before he was touched and he did it with 0:01 on the clock, it'd been so easy for him to just run around a little more and burn another couple seconds if he had to.

Nearly everyone sitting at home knew exactly what we should have done right away. That's the scary part. It's a pretty simple play, snap it to the QB, put a couple blockers in the backfield with him, have him get back in the endzone as quickly as he can and run around for as long as he can and go down when a defender gets to him. Game over.
 

Zubaz

Member
Duggan's actions suggested he thought he had to step out of the back of the end zone before he was touched and he did it with 0:01 on the clock, it'd been so easy for him to just run around a little more and burn another couple seconds if he had to.
Here's the play in question, start at 2:54:09 if it doesn't automatically jump to that:

Few things:
1) You absolutely do step out of the back of the endzone when someone gets anywhere near you. You 100% do not risk any Texas player getting within arm's length where that ball can get knocked out. Protecting the ball is far more important. Worst case scenario you free-kick with 1 second left or so. See Super Bowl XLIV for a good example of this.
2) Where he steps out, I don't see a ton of room for him to do anything. He did the right thing stepping out when he did.
3) The real failure is how quickly the O-Line let everyone go through. It was like they were playing under normal rules. Grab them, hug them, tackle them, do whatever you have to do to take them out of the play. The penalty is irrelevant.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Here's the play in question, start at 2:54:09 if it doesn't automatically jump to that:

Few things:
1) You absolutely do step out of the back of the endzone when someone gets anywhere near you. You 100% do not risk any Texas player getting within arm's length where that ball can get knocked out. Protecting the ball is far more important. Worst case scenario you free-kick with 1 second left or so. See Super Bowl XLIV for a good example of this.
2) Where he steps out, I don't see a ton of room for him to do anything. He did the right thing stepping out when he did.
3) The real failure is how quickly the O-Line let everyone go through. It was like they were playing under normal rules. Grab them, hug them, tackle them, do whatever you have to do to take them out of the play. The penalty is irrelevant.


Seriously? I watched that replay and that was about the lamest effort to burn 6 seconds on the clock ever. You want to end the game on that play. UT should have had 1 second left and it would have been so easy to burn another few ticks by just making a minimal effort to just run along the back of the end zone. In any event, that entire sequence was a cluster F, starting on the sidelines.

Your efforts to go out of your way to disagree with me are weird.
 

Eight

Member
Here's the play in question, start at 2:54:09 if it doesn't automatically jump to that:

Few things:
1) You absolutely do step out of the back of the endzone when someone gets anywhere near you. You 100% do not risk any Texas player getting within arm's length where that ball can get knocked out. Protecting the ball is far more important. Worst case scenario you free-kick with 1 second left or so. See Super Bowl XLIV for a good example of this.
2) I don't see a ton of room for him to do anything. He did the right thing stepping out when he did.
3) The real failure is how quickly the O-Line let everyone go through. It was like they were playing under normal rules. Grab them, hug them, tackle them, do whatever you have to do to take them out of the play. The penalty is irrelevant.



The real failure is how quickly the O-Line let everyone go through.

you haven't watched much lately have you
 

Hemingway

Active Member
Here's the play in question, start at 2:54:09 if it doesn't automatically jump to that:

Few things:
1) You absolutely do step out of the back of the endzone when someone gets anywhere near you. You 100% do not risk any Texas player getting within arm's length where that ball can get knocked out. Protecting the ball is far more important. Worst case scenario you free-kick with 1 second left or so. See Super Bowl XLIV for a good example of this.
2) Where he steps out, I don't see a ton of room for him to do anything. He did the right thing stepping out when he did.
3) The real failure is how quickly the O-Line let everyone go through. It was like they were playing under normal rules. Grab them, hug them, tackle them, do whatever you have to do to take them out of the play. The penalty is irrelevant.

Whose the reporter?
 

tyler durden

Tyler Durden
I did think it was funny how Duggan said it's something they work on all the time, or something to that effect. Sure as heck didn't look like it, it was complete chaos on the sideline as to what we should be doing prior to the safety play.....and it really wasn't executed that well. Duggan's actions suggested he thought he had to step out of the back of the end zone before he was touched and he did it with 0:01 on the clock, it'd been so easy for him to just run around a little more and burn another couple seconds if he had to.

Nearly everyone sitting at home knew exactly what we should have done right away. That's the scary part. It's a pretty simple play, snap it to the QB, put a couple blockers in the backfield with him, have him get back in the endzone as quickly as he can and run around for as long as he can and go down when a defender gets to him. Game over.
If he had tried to just avoid getting tackled, could have perhaps gotten away without the safety to boot.
 

froginmn

Full Member
with clock management. Not the first time Vrabel has pulled off such a great move and outsmarted the other team. Does anyone think GP has spent 5 minutes thinking about such scenarios? He certainly doesn’t coach as if he has.

https://broadwaysportsmedia.com/how-mike-vrabels-intentional-penalty-saved-the-day-for-the-titans/
So Vrabel is a genius for allowing his opponent to score a touchdown in only 1:13?

What would they have said if his players fell down and allowed the touchdown in seven seconds?
 

PO Frog

Active Member
So Vrabel is a genius for allowing his opponent to score a touchdown in only 1:13?

What would they have said if his players fell down and allowed the touchdown in seven seconds?
Either you didn’t read the article or it was too complicated for you to understand, but no, that is not exactly how it worked since they didn’t score a touchdown. The point was to hold them to a FG either way, but saving 40 seconds under Vrabel’s genius coaching move.
 

froginmn

Full Member
Either you didn’t read the article or it was too complicated for you to understand, but no, that is not exactly how it worked since they didn’t score a touchdown. The point was to hold them to a FG either way, but saving 40 seconds under Vrabel’s genius coaching move.
Not sure what you're talking about. They scored a touchdown, but inexplicably went for two and failed.

Here’s how things played out. Texans throw an incomplete pass, bringing up 2nd and 10 (already a much better spot than they were in before and just 9 seconds had come off the clock). Then an 11-yard David Johnson run puts them in 1st and goal at the 9. They run it three more times and finally throw it in for a touchdown on 4th and goal at the 1.

During that stretch, the Titans use two of their timeouts, but just 1:13 comes off the clock, in large part, because of the penalty that effectively stole a down from the Texans and gave the Titans back either 40 seconds or a timeout (and possibly more).

The Titans, of course, would drive the length of the field following Houston’s missed 2-point try, score a game-tying touchdown with 4 seconds left in regulation, and then win the game on the first possession of overtime. None of that likely happens without a detail oriented coach who bought them an extra timeout by understanding the game at an extremely high level.

Consider this Mike Vrabel’s official entry into the Coach of the Year race.
 
Last edited:
Top