Baylor, TCU alike in one way

[flyfishingfrog]

Ah, hook line and sinker.

you don’t event know if the org—that purportedly started the process to receive official recognition in January—actually did the paperwork and checked the required boxes to receive university recognition. instead you just accepted that a national group with a playbook of creating news stories on campuses came in and was victimized by administration. and then got all worked up about it.

maybe the school is a bad actor here. but you really have no reason to know that.

a quick look at the list of university-recognized student organizations shows recognized chapters of:
- college republicans
- young Americans for freedom
- young Americans for liberty
- college democrats
- democratic socialists of America
https://engage.tcu.edu/organizations
This list sure doesn’t point toward bias.

so if they didn't follow the proper procedure - then whey didn't TCU administration just say that as an explanation?

Makes no sense to try and provide another explanation as to why they were denied if the simple answer of you didn't follow the required process is easier and accurate.

So doubting that was what happened.

 

[Pharm Frog]

I had never heard of Turning Point until today. The ADL lists Turning Point as the following:
An Ultra Conservative student organization whose mission statement is to “identify educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of freedom, free markets, and limited government.”
I have no problems with this mission statement. The problems are the actual statements coming out of it's leaders and students affiliated with the organization. The worst offender by far is Candace Owens. It well documented that she has defended Hitler as a "globalist, not a nationalist", (she has since somewhat backed off of the original statement), that the KKK was just one of those mirages, and not dangerous, and that black Americans are worse off economically than they were under Jim Crow. (I have never heard anyone else say this). Candace Owens is black.

The other biggest issue are the racist remarks and hate speech coming from many of the students that belong to the organization. The organization has a "hit list" of professors that it considers too liberal.

Bottom line, the ADL believes that while the group has managed to keep from being directly attached to the some of the white extremist groups, that the group behaves like a hate group. Interestingly, it has a fair number of black members, but seems to concentrate it's hate activities against all Middle Eastern Peoples (whether Jewish or Muslim or Christian doesn't matter) and Latinos.

Maybe TCU has a point?

So your source is the Anti-Defamation League? Okay. Was the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website down? And TCU did not claim it rejected TP USA for its positions on issues. In fact it said it’s positions are already adequately represented on campus in other organizations. Hmmmm

 

[Same Ole Wiley]

Wrong.

My wife, who started the Young Americans for Freedom chapter while she was at TCU,

not that there's anything wrong with that

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Here's a video of a TP student attacking an innocent Berkeley student. Oh wait. And it's even CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/02/23/conservative-activist-assault-uc-berkeley-sot-vpx.hln

There's multiple other incidents of TP students being attacked and strangely, not one the other way around. Weird for white supremacist racists.

 

[East Coast]

So your source is the Anti-Defamation League? Okay. Was the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website down? And TCU did not claim it rejected TP USA for its positions on issues. In fact it said it’s positions are already adequately represented on campus in other organizations. Hmmmm

One of my sources yes. I followed it up with confirmation of the ADL's quotes and statements. The statements I referenced are all over the web. While Turning Point may not implicitly be a hate group, it associates and receives support from them. Interestingly though, many do not.

And I've read Dirtbag's posts about the process. The positions TCU is referencing are represented in Turning Points mission statement, which I will leave to TCU to decide if they are adequately represented. Maybe TCU's stated reasons are true, but it's also quite possible the university will use every tool it has to appear somewhat fair, but keep the organization from using its resources. There is nothing to stop it from holding meetings, events, etc off campus.

 

[illini_frog]

Father’s best friend (former Exxon VP once in charge of Venezuelan operations) informed Baylor last Friday that he was removing the school as a beneficiary over this plus. Don’t know how much for sure but Father says likely in the millions. He also asked where they want him to return his embossed BU seal chair and diplomas.

He sounds like a snowflake.

 

[East Coast]

Here's a video of a TP student attacking an innocent Berkeley student. Oh wait. And it's even CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/02/23/conservative-activist-assault-uc-berkeley-sot-vpx.hln

There's multiple other incidents of TP students being attacked and strangely, not one the other way around. Weird for white supremacist racists.

Well, all I see here is one kid punching another. I have no idea what precipitated the violence.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Well, all I see here is one kid punching another. I have no idea what precipitated the violence.

There's other videos. The kid in black walked up to the TP booth and started harassing them and trying to steal their signs and bags. When he tried to get his bag back, he was sucker punched. Brave liberals always seem to sucker punch people.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

While Turning Point may not implicitly be a hate group, it associates and receives support from them.

Can you provide one example of that? Just one. Of TP receiving support and associating with a hate group?

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Well, all I see here is one kid punching another. I have no idea what precipitated the violence.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=...YxMi4xLjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab

 

[netty2424]

Baylor is asshoe!

 

[Zubaz]

While Turning Point may not implicitly be a hate group, it associates and receives support from them.

This is the sleight of hand that has been going on ever since the alt-right entered the mainstream's attention. While nobody can possibly deny the Alt-Right is a racist group, with explicitly racist origins, in the race to tie EVERYONE right of center (particularly populists that are fans of Trump) as members of "the alt-right", the net gets cast too wide, and the standard becomes meaningless. TPUSA is one of those examples. They aren't alt-right, and to the best of my knowledge haven't willingly associated with any notable . Instead, the standard gets reversed. The gist of it goes: "Racists like (some of) the things you say, that makes you associated with them". They may not like hate groups, but do hate groups like them? If the answer is yes, that gets them on the ADL's list. Of course that's a nonsense standard.

I'm not a huge fan of TPUSA, and I think Charlie gets very very dishonest with how he edits his videos, and often has a double standard depending on who he is praising. But....ya know, that's his gimmick. He's a partisan hack, that's really no surprise. This "hate group" claim doesn't hold water though. Let's not pretend he was one of those in Charlottesville with a tiki-torch.

 

[FinanceFrog]

i don’t think this is really a loss because young conservatives are a beating. no one really wants to be around them. they don’t even pay taxes yet - why be conservative at that point in your life? what are you conservative about - your parents tax rate? how the endowment for your private high school is taxed?

be conservative later in life when you have very little going for you other than making money and going to church. then you can start to worry about the decline of family values.

college students shouldn’t worry at all about politics. college is the best time in life - don’t fill it with politics and don’t create reasons to be offended. you have the rest of your working life to do that stuff.

 

[Pharm Frog]

i don’t think this is really a loss because young conservatives are a beating. no one really wants to be around them. they don’t even pay taxes yet - why be conservative at that point in your life? what are you conservative about - your parents tax rate? how the endowment for your private high school is taxed?

be conservative later in life when you have very little going for you other than making money and going to church. then you can start to worry about the decline of family values.

college students shouldn’t worry at all about politics. college is the best time in life - don’t fill it with politics and don’t create reasons to be offended. you have the rest of your working life to do that stuff.

Since adult liberals are such a beating may we agree that we only should have liberals through age 22 (or when employed whichever comes first) and from 22 on you have to be conservative? I could get behind that proposal FF.

 

[tcudoc]

i don’t think this is really a loss because young conservatives are a beating. no one really wants to be around them. they don’t even pay taxes yet - why be conservative at that point in your life? what are you conservative about - your parents tax rate? how the endowment for your private high school is taxed?

be conservative later in life when you have very little going for you other than making money and going to church. then you can start to worry about the decline of family values.

college students shouldn’t worry at all about politics. college is the best time in life - don’t fill it with politics and don’t create reasons to be offended. you have the rest of your working life to do that stuff.

 

[FinanceFrog]

Since adult liberals are such a beating may we agree that we only should have liberals through age 22 (or when employed whichever comes first) and from 22 on you have to be conservative? I could get behind that proposal FF.

perfectly reasonable plan.

 

[TopFrog]

you don’t event know if the org—that purportedly started the process to receive official recognition in January—actually did the paperwork and checked the required boxes to receive university recognition.

From the article:

“The approval process should take three or so weeks,” she was quoted as saying. “Instead, it took nearly all semester until April 15 for them to make their decision to deny my request. I did everything they asked me to in a diligent, respectful, and prompt manner.”

Apparently the school did not deny on the basis of an incomplete or improper application process. If so, the school should say that and inform the group what is lacking so they can reapply. But that is not the case nor the apparent reason the group was denied.

 

[Pure Purple]

"If you are not a Liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you are not a Conservative at forty, you have no brain".......

Winston Churchill

 

[DeuceBoogieNights]

I have no clue who Turning Point USA is but they have numerous articles online about them being racist or employing racist. They also make terrible memes apparently.

 

[LSU Game Attendee]

My goodness:

1. Christmas;

2. Rodeo;

3. Sportsmanship;

4. Books?

I don't see the problem.