Gary Patterson

[Peacefrog]

wrong way of looking at it. Who cares if OU is 40/60 on third down and TCU is 82/120...it’s all about points per Drive with an efficiency metric.

Oh for scheiss’s sake. What are you even arguing at this point? I replied to someone that made a nonsensical point about third down conversions. Then you jumped in and have now tried to make an argument that I never made nor discussed. Good for you. good work. Do you feel super smart now? What other points would you like to make that are irrelevant to what I initially posted? Did you know a female peacock is called a peahen? About as relevant.

 

[Paradoxotaur]

Oh for scheiss’s sake. What are you even arguing at this point? I replied to someone that made a nonsensical point about third down conversions. Then you jumped in and have now tried to make an argument that I never made nor discussed. Good for you. good work. Do you feel super smart now? What other points would you like to make that are irrelevant to what I initially posted? Did you know a female pea[ the old ricardo ] is called a peahen? About as relevant.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

so money causes myopia because this program isn't competing for third place in the big 12, didn't last year, and is headed in a direction that i think some of you are not ready to face unless big changes are made in multiple areas.

oh, and as a side note in the frogs 7 seasons in the big 12 they have tied for 1st once, tied for 2nd once, finished 2nd outright, finished 5th outright, tied for 5th, and finished tied for 7th.

right now, this team is tied for 5th with the toughest part of the conference schedule in front of them.

you keep referring to gary's magic but what i see is a program that has won 56% of their big 12 games so far, finished middle of the road 4 out of 7 years, and really has some bad trends going but since i am not as smart as you i guess this is just another one of my bad opinions

Geez I hope you really didn't graduate from TCU - otherwise you lack of reading comprehension and analytical skills is embarrassing for someone with a diploma from our school.

Again - I didn't say you could not find someone that could get us higher than we are now.

I specifically said the number of guys that can get TCU to a point where we can truly contend for the B12 title given all the things a small private school has to overcome are few and far between.

If you don't think there is something special about GMFP and what he has accomplished as our coach because of it - then frankly I don't think anything short of a brain transplant can help you. You obviously missed the 10+ guys before him that didn't accomplish half of what he did or the other 100+ coaches in the US currently at schools that have more advantages than TCU and failed by a large margin to try and achieve what he accomplished during his career here.

Maybe whatever he had is gone or maybe he needs to reboot - but acting like he never had anything special is just plain ignorant.

Sorry that it upsets you to face the fact that we are destined to be a middle of the pack B12 team - but that is really the reality for all but two teams in our conference. The rest of us need someone really special at the help to give us the hope to make small runs in years when 1 or both are down.

So if chasing off GMFP because you assume he is done for a guy that might get us to the Alamo Bowl in a good year and if the conference can manage to get UT and OU both in NY6 bowls sounds good - then I am glad you feel you have a plan.

You can join Aggy in celebrating mediocrity like we won a NC and talk about how we get beat by the best I guess...let's just hope we don't have to guarantee $75 mil for the 1 extra win a year.

 

[mkel43]

I'm 100% behind Coach P and the D. He will fix it.

TCU Off Season Chop list, or whatever Gary wants to call it:

Cumbie
Burns
Sharp
Anderson
The entire training staff
Sommers
The Head of Training, Gable

We used to be more physical and just punished teams and they new it was coming before the game started. TCU does not do this anymore and something is wrong. We are also almost never wide open on any offensive play at any point in the season. Good play calling makes that happen. See Andy Reid's offense ever year, almost every game for details.

Start there. I think if he makes these moves he will save this program and the rest of the TCU coaching families he's trying to protect. Donati may need to get involved here because this will be difficult, but the purple indians on the Fort Worth reservation are getting restless at the product we have been consistently seeing on the field. We've nailed recruiting and facilities, coaching has been poor and we are getting out hustled. That's not the TCU football we've come to know. No more Gary looking shell shocked after post game press conferences.

Seriously? You obviously have absolutely ZERO knowledge of the impeccable reputation Don Sommers and the TCU Strength program has across the country and has MADE years of NFL players as proof. Talk to anyone in that profession or any player that ever played for him and find out how off you are here. Then check out the numbers and accolades for strength and conditioning during his time at TCU. I agree some changes are needed but they damn sure aren't needed there.

 

[ShreveFrog]

Unless coach P is going to be the head coach and only the head coach he needs to step down. He use to be to the coach who did more with less now he is doing less with more. We should be no worse then the 3rd best team in the conference based off our recruiting record the last several years, that is a FACT.

Respectfully disagree. Look at the holes on defense. And the misses (and bad luck) at quarterback and receivers with no hands.

 

[asleep003]

You know this argument makes no sense right?

Sooners make a lot more 1st downs on their 1st or 2nd down and therefore are not dealing with nearly as many 3rd down plays as we are forced to contend with.

Nothing nonsensical … based on the info given.

 

[Eight]

Geez I hope you really didn't graduate from TCU - otherwise you lack of reading comprehension and analytical skills is embarrassing for someone with a diploma from our school.

Again - I didn't say you could not find someone that could get us higher than we are now.

I specifically said the number of guys that can get TCU to a point where we can truly contend for the B12 title given all the things a small private school has to overcome are few and far between.

If you don't think there is something special about GMFP and what he has accomplished as our coach because of it - then frankly I don't think anything short of a brain transplant can help you. You obviously missed the 10+ guys before him that didn't accomplish half of what he did or the other 100+ coaches in the US currently at schools that have more advantages than TCU and failed by a large margin to try and achieve what he accomplished during his career here.

Maybe whatever he had is gone or maybe he needs to reboot - but acting like he never had anything special is just plain ignorant.

Sorry that it upsets you to face the fact that we are destined to be a middle of the pack B12 team - but that is really the reality for all but two teams in our conference. The rest of us need someone really special at the help to give us the hope to make small runs in years when 1 or both are down.

So if chasing off GMFP because you assume he is done for a guy that might get us to the Alamo Bowl in a good year and if the conference can manage to get UT and OU both in NY6 bowls sounds good - then I am glad you feel you have a plan.

You can join Aggy in celebrating mediocrity like we won a NC and talk about how we get beat by the best I guess...let's just hope we don't have to guarantee $75 mil for the 1 extra win a year.

i am a tcu graduate so i must be the one killing the schools academic reputation.

since i am such a simpleton maybe you can explain these comments:

"Sorry that it upsets you to face the fact that we are destined to be a middle of the pack B12 team - but that is really the reality for all but two teams in our conference."

"You can join Aggy in celebrating mediocrity like we won a NC and talk about how we get beat by the best I guess"

so should i be upset that the frogs have been middle of the pack in the conference or am i supposed to celebrate it?

not upset and haven't said we should be competing for titles. we have been a mid tier program in the big 12., it is what it is and i have been constant in that, but you first said with gary we would compete for #3 in the conference and now you are saying that happens in a good year.

you keep moving the standard it seems when presented with the actual numbers of what has happened in conference play.

what i do find interesting is that someone who is so pro ft worth and tcu doesn't believe that continued middle of the conference success is possible without gary.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

i am a tcu graduate so i must be the one killing the schools academic reputation.

since i am such a simpleton maybe you can explain these comments:

"Sorry that it upsets you to face the fact that we are destined to be a middle of the pack B12 team - but that is really the reality for all but two teams in our conference."

"You can join Aggy in celebrating mediocrity like we won a NC and talk about how we get beat by the best I guess"

so should i be upset that the frogs have been middle of the pack in the conference or am i supposed to celebrate it?

not upset and haven't said we should be competing for titles. we have been a mid tier program in the big 12., it is what it is and i have been constant in that, but you first said with gary we would compete for #3 in the conference and now you are saying that happens in a good year.

you keep moving the standard it seems when presented with the actual numbers of what has happened in conference play.

what i do find interesting is that someone who is so pro ft worth and tcu doesn't believe that continued middle of the conference success is possible without gary.

Geez - I was kind of joking about the lack of reading comprehension but unless you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing - you might want to consider it as a real problem.

I will simplify it for you - when whatever GMFP had that made him one of the top 5 coaches in the country for most of the last 20 years goes away - because he retires or simply because he lost it - we will be destined to be a program that will fight for 3rd place in the conference at best.

There is no other if's or and's or but's about what I was saying.

New coach, same coach without the spark, no coach at all - whatever you want, we are highly unlikely to find another coach that can harness the sun and pull us above our natural place in the pecking order of college football.

TCU has proven this over and over for the last 70 years and despite what everyone wants to say about our commitment and fund raising for the program - really nothing has changed in relation to our peers. They all have a lot of money and throw a lot of resources at their programs also - so that is not a difference maker anymore.

With an above average coach we have proven to be average, with an average coach we are historically bad - It takes someone truly special - not just good, but truly great - at the helm to elevate us above the rest of middle. And there are about 10 of those guys in the country and we have had one since GMFP got here even if you think he might have lost his edge now.

 

[Wexahu]

Geez - I was kind of joking about the lack of reading comprehension but unless you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing - you might want to consider it as a real problem.

I will simplify it for you - when whatever GMFP had that made him one of the top 5 coaches in the country for most of the last 20 years goes away - because he retires or simply because he lost it - we will be destined to be a program that will fight for 3rd place in the conference at best.

There is no other if's or and's or but's about what I was saying.

New coach, same coach without the spark, no coach at all - whatever you want, we are highly unlikely to find another coach that can harness the sun and pull us above our natural place in the pecking order of college football.

TCU has proven this over and over for the last 70 years and despite what everyone wants to say about our commitment and fund raising for the program - really nothing has changed in relation to our peers. They all have a lot of money and throw a lot of resources at their programs also - so that is not a difference maker anymore.

With an above average coach we have proven to be average, with an average coach we are historically bad - It takes someone truly special - not just good, but truly great - at the helm to elevate us above the rest of middle. And there are about 10 of those guys in the country and we have had one since GMFP got here even if you think he might have lost his edge now.

Regardless of the history of TCU football and our chances to be competitive in the future, the bottom line is when I used to watch our team play, the vast majority of games I thought we were a better-prepared, better-coached football team. The team played with an edge and an attitude. For whatever reason, that isn't there anymore, and I no longer feel like we have an advantage in the preparation and coaching part of it. What to do about that I don't know but the status quo is not working.

 

[Mean Purple]

Regardless of the history of TCU football and our chances to be competitive in the future, the bottom line is when I used to watch our team play, the vast majority of games I thought we were a better-prepared, better-coached football team. The team played with an edge and an attitude. For whatever reason, that isn't there anymore, and I no longer feel like we have an advantage in the preparation and coaching part of it. What to do about that I don't know but the status quo is not working.

Even the seniors look lost at times.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

Regardless of the history of TCU football and our chances to be competitive in the future, the bottom line is when I used to watch our team play, the vast majority of games I thought we were a better-prepared, better-coached football team. The team played with an edge and an attitude. For whatever reason, that isn't there anymore, and I no longer feel like we have an advantage in the preparation and coaching part of it. What to do about that I don't know but the status quo is not working.

I would 100% agree with you on this - used to feel like we won the game before the whistle a lot of times and now we seem to come in hoping to win the battle but not sure.

I think that ability to motivate a 3 star to play like a 5 star had a lot to do with it in the past. That chip on the shoulder, exuding confidence, one team attitude was strong in our program for most of the last 15 years.

For some reason we can't motivate a 4 star to even play like a 4 star anymore.

Maybe that is just our staff being tired - maybe its because our staff is uninspiring in their vision - maybe our players are a bunch of second tier 4 star primadonnas that can't execute when the guy across from them is just as good.

or maybe it is all of that.

 

[McGregor's Goat]

Regardless of the history of TCU football and our chances to be competitive in the future, the bottom line is when I used to watch our team play, the vast majority of games I thought we were a better-prepared, better-coached football team.

I have been thinking about this as well lately. How many games this year did TCU appear to be the better coached/prepared team? I guess the Purdue and Kansas games, but we were badly out-coached in the SMU and Iowa State games.

 

[Snoop1122]

Agree. It seems like we have been out-coached and out-prepared in all of the bigger games. We were outcoached by Dykes and Matt Campbell. I just think this whole staff needs a complete re-tooling. I do not see any fight in the players.

 

[Slomo37]

I see these kids on tv with little to no respect. I see their ideas on socialism, government, law enforcement, social compatibility, their need for immediate rewards with little effort AND wonder how do you motivate today's society? On a personal note, we're having a devil of a time with this young generation. They're smart and often very creative. But... We've gone to extraordinary lengths to hire companies who specialize finding the right morally, productive person. Thoughtful adaptation is the key, we learned that early on. Unfortunately some of you will not understand this post.

Yeah...plus they don’t respect property boundaries and a well-manicured lawn.

 

[Eight]

Regardless of the history of TCU football and our chances to be competitive in the future, the bottom line is when I used to watch our team play, the vast majority of games I thought we were a better-prepared, better-coached football team. The team played with an edge and an attitude. For whatever reason, that isn't there anymore, and I no longer feel like we have an advantage in the preparation and coaching part of it. What to do about that I don't know but the status quo is not working.

this is the most disappointing part of the losses.

when the frogs joined the big 12 they did not have the talent across the roster to match up. they had talent to be competitive, but there were some areas that were lacking for a variety of reasons.

they were however fundamentally sound, they played like they knew what they were supposed to do, and defensively especially they executed. i have said it before and i will say it again but the ou-tcu game in 2012 is one of the best tackling games on both sides that i have ever seen at the college level.

i point out both teams because i do think a change in how teams practice in high school and college have impacted things such as tackling and to a degree blocking because the amount of contact has been reduced.

i would bet we hit more in high school than most major college programs do today because that was what you did back then (along with taking those gawd awful cramer salt tablets before practice to "prevent" cramps) and things are different now.

that still doesn't explain though the confusion and i am curious if just way too much is being thrown at these guys compared to what the frogs did defensively when they first joined the big 12.

you continually see it in games where defenders are late to line up, blow coverages etc... and as someone else mentioned this is from juniors and seniors.

 

[Mean Purple]

this is the most disappointing part of the losses.

when the frogs joined the big 12 they did not have the talent across the roster to match up. they had talent to be competitive, but there were some areas that were lacking for a variety of reasons.

they were however fundamentally sound, they played like they knew what they were supposed to do, and defensively especially they executed. i have said it before and i will say it again but the ou-tcu game in 2012 is one of the best tackling games on both sides that i have ever seen at the college level.

i point out both teams because i do think a change in how teams practice in high school and college have impacted things such as tackling and to a degree blocking because the amount of contact has been reduced.

i would bet we hit more in high school than most major college programs do today because that was what you did back then (along with taking those gawd awful cramer salt tablets before practice to "prevent" cramps) and things are different now.

that still doesn't explain though the confusion and i am curious if just way too much is being thrown at these guys compared to what the frogs did defensively when they first joined the big 12.

you continually see it in games where defenders are late to line up, blow coverages etc... and as someone else mentioned this is from juniors and seniors.

This is the biggest thing, IMO. Things just don't look fundamentally sound in several phases.

 

[LawFrog504]

Y'all think we will lock up Ceedee Lamb in Norman? If only we had 2 cracks at them like we did in 17, that went so well.

 

[Billy Clyde]

this is the most disappointing part of the losses.

when the frogs joined the big 12 they did not have the talent across the roster to match up. they had talent to be competitive, but there were some areas that were lacking for a variety of reasons.

they were however fundamentally sound, they played like they knew what they were supposed to do, and defensively especially they executed. i have said it before and i will say it again but the ou-tcu game in 2012 is one of the best tackling games on both sides that i have ever seen at the college level.

i point out both teams because i do think a change in how teams practice in high school and college have impacted things such as tackling and to a degree blocking because the amount of contact has been reduced.

i would bet we hit more in high school than most major college programs do today because that was what you did back then (along with taking those gawd awful cramer salt tablets before practice to "prevent" cramps) and things are different now.

that still doesn't explain though the confusion and i am curious if just way too much is being thrown at these guys compared to what the frogs did defensively when they first joined the big 12.

you continually see it in games where defenders are late to line up, blow coverages etc... and as someone else mentioned this is from juniors and seniors.

QUICKICK!!!