Gary Patterson

[Casey T]

i don’t buy this at all. Show the full percentages and not ranks out of 10.

our 3rd down offense is abysmal. This offense feels so much worse than 2016 and even last year

Those are facts. Go look them up yourself if you don't believe me. And what does percentage have to do with anything, those are our rankings compared to our Big 12 peers. You forget how [ Finebaum ]ty our 2016 offense was. It was terrible.

Our 3rd down offense is 2nd best in the B12 right now. 48%, only under Texas and somehow above Oklahoma

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

 

[YA]

I see these kids on tv with little to no respect. I see their ideas on socialism, government, law enforcement, social compatibility, their need for immediate rewards with little effort AND wonder how do you motivate today's society? On a personal note, we're having a devil of a time with this young generation. They're smart and often very creative. But... We've gone to extraordinary lengths to hire companies who specialize finding the right morally, productive person. Thoughtful adaptation is the key, we learned that early on. Unfortunately some of you will not understand this post.

everyone understands the point that every generation feels the same way about the next generation--your perspective isn't new or even wrong

 

[PO Frog]

Those are facts. Go look them up yourself if you don't believe me. And what does percentage have to do with anything, those are our rankings compared to our Big 12 peers. You forget how [ steaming pile of Orgeron ]ty our 2016 offense was. It was terrible.

Our 3rd down offense is 2nd best in the B12 right now. 48%, only under Texas and somehow above Oklahoma

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

Oklahoma has probably only had about 10 third downs.

 

[ticketfrog123]

Those are facts. Go look them up yourself if you don't believe me. And what does percentage have to do with anything, those are our rankings compared to our Big 12 peers. You forget how [ steaming pile of Orgeron ]ty our 2016 offense was. It was terrible.

Our 3rd down offense is 2nd best in the B12 right now. 48%, only under Texas and somehow above Oklahoma

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

These are half facts as we’ve played half a season and had the easiest schedule in the conference this far.

red zone D is terrible and these numbers don’t account for garbage time, where we probably pad our stats.

let’s review these numbers at the end of the year

 

[gohornedfrogs]

everyone understands the point that every generation feels the same way about the next generation--your perspective ins't new or even wrong

With all due respect, this isn’t Elvis’ hip shaking we’re talking about. Many in the next generation have been institutionalized to believe that socialism - a form of government diametrically in conflict with the core principles that have resulted in American excellence - is not only acceptable, but desirable over the system that created the most prolific country in world history.

 

[McGregor's Goat]

Let's be honest. He did not turn this around. Fran did. And Fran knew to keep his foot on the gas.

Just catching up on this thread and I have seen a lot of bizarre claims (someone said we should move down to the AAC?!), but I think the above claim is completely wrong and should be challenged. Fran was at TCU from 1998-2000. Besides the fact that winning the Rose Bowl in 2010 while in the Mountain West, or any of the other top 10 seasons GP had many years after Fran left can't be attributed to anything Fran did, Fran wouldn't have "rebuilt" TCU without GP. TCU had the #1 defense in the country in 2000 - that was because of GP, not Fran. Ask aTm fans about what a genius Fran is.

I think this season is shaping up to be a bitter disappointment, GP is doing a bad job right now, and Cumbie is a crap OC. But some people are making the leap to "GP was never that great in the first place", and that's insane. I don't think he should get to be coach for life, come hell or high water, but he worked a damn miracle at TCU.

 

[flyfishingfrog]

hell, the programs ceiling right now isn't 10 wins and a 3rd place finish with gary.

i really don't know what world some of you live in that you don't see that regression is setting into this program and tcu is not keeping pace in multiple ways with other programs.

is it time to panic? no, but the reality is that there are a number of things that have to take place before a foundation cracks and those have been going on for some time.

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your opinions

never said someone else would not do better than GP right now

I said when the GP magic is gone we will be fighting Baylor, Okie lite and ISU for 3rd place not competing for conference titles

when he is on his game, we stand a chance to at least play for the top spot

maybe that magic is gone forever but the number of guys that have what it takes to turn a TCU into a real threat to OU and UT when they aren’t killing themselves is small - and the reality is our next coach will just return us to the best of the second best

 

[asleep003]

Our 3rd down offense is 2nd best in the B12 right now. 48%, only under Texas and somehow above Oklahoma

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

Probably because OU has much fewer 3rd down situations.....

 

[Peacefrog]

Probably because OU has much fewer 3rd down situations.....

You know this argument makes no sense right?

 

[Uncle_Frog]

I love Gary and what he’s done for TCU and if he can’t get it turned around in the next two years he will hang it up voluntarily. He won’t have to be asked to step down.

Gary has built TCU into an incredible job. We have a $260+ Million stadium debt free, world class facilities, an incredible amount of donor $ considering our alumni size, located in the best recruiting metro in the country, and Fort Worth is a great town to live for any coach. Oh and only OU and UT recruit better than TCU in the Big XII so we can attract the talent to win.

Anyone assuming we can’t attract a top candidate when Gary hangs it up is simply running scared. We can pay top-10 money for a head coach and pay assistants very well. TCU is set for the long term.

 

[cheese83]

With all due respect, this isn’t Elvis’ hip shaking we’re talking about. Many in the next generation have been institutionalized to believe that socialism - a form of government diametrically in conflict with the core principles that have resulted in American excellence - is not only acceptable, but desirable over the system that created the most prolific country in world history.

What does that have to do with recruiting and developing talent along with running an offensive scheme that works? Most of these kids just want to go to college get better at football and have a shot at making money in the league. If anything it often rewards hard work and continued development. Collegiate athletes these days are extremely hard working balancing classes and the insanely demanding schedules related to their sports. Don't get your grades you lose your schollie and you're gone, don't play well enough your SR year and a FR or SO are better they'll take your spot.

I will say that more and more players aren't as receptive to the old school style coach or teacher that screams at them. But any good coach or teacher knows that you have to deal with each kid differently.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

Those are facts. Go look them up yourself if you don't believe me. And what does percentage have to do with anything, those are our rankings compared to our Big 12 peers. You forget how [ steaming pile of Orgeron ]ty our 2016 offense was. It was terrible.

Our 3rd down offense is 2nd best in the B12 right now. 48%, only under Texas and somehow above Oklahoma

https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

Only because OU has never had a 3rd down this year.

Damn, PO beat me to it.

 

[Eight]

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your opinions

never said someone else would not do better than GP right now

I said when the GP magic is gone we will be fighting Baylor, Okie lite and ISU for 3rd place not competing for conference titles

when he is on his game, we stand a chance to at least play for the top spot

maybe that magic is gone forever but the number of guys that have what it takes to turn a TCU into a real threat to OU and UT when they aren’t killing themselves is small - and the reality is our next coach will just return us to the best of the second best

so money causes myopia because this program isn't competing for third place in the big 12, didn't last year, and is headed in a direction that i think some of you are not ready to face unless big changes are made in multiple areas.

oh, and as a side note in the frogs 7 seasons in the big 12 they have tied for 1st once, tied for 2nd once, finished 2nd outright, finished 5th outright, tied for 5th, and finished tied for 7th.

right now, this team is tied for 5th with the toughest part of the conference schedule in front of them.

you keep referring to gary's magic but what i see is a program that has won 56% of their big 12 games so far, finished middle of the road 4 out of 7 years, and really has some bad trends going but since i am not as smart as you i guess this is just another one of my bad opinions

 

[ticketfrog123]

You know this argument makes no sense right?

It absolutely makes sense if you’ve watched an OU game this year. They regularly score on 1st and 2nd down from outside the red zone, reducing the sample size for 3rd down and lowering their net percentage for conversion

 

[Peacefrog]

It absolutely makes sense if you’ve watched an OU game this year. They regularly score on 1st and 2nd down from outside the red zone, reducing the sample size for 3rd down and lowering their net percentage for conversion

Third down conversion is still third down conversion. You either convert or you don’t. If you don’t get to third down you have nothing to convert or not convert.

Sample size doesn’t matter except to refine the outcome. I’m sure they have enough to make it an adequate sample at this point.

 

[YA]

Third down conversion is still third down conversion. You either convert or you don’t. If you don’t get to third down you have nothing to convert or not convert.

Sample size doesn’t matter except to refine the outcome. I’m sure they have enough to make it an adequate sample at this point.

Same thing as saying we have limited interceptions this year from our QB's in that tweet last week--means nothing if no one can catch the ball.

 

[LawFrog504]

When you were in school at Baylor, did you ever get trampled by those uncoordinated dorks tripping on the field before the game?

Just shut up man

 

[Froggish]

I believe the criticism is based on the fact that this should have been known and acted-upon several years ago. How is it possible that in all the years of his coaching tenure, he hasn't terminated a single coach for cause except for the DUI guy a decade ago? Hell, he didn't even fire Meach but merely demoted him in order to keep SC from jumping ship. You're telling me not one single coach he has ever had on staff has deserved firing? Pretty lucky run of staff hires if you think that is reality.

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Meacham's 2016 TCU offense was (B12 ranks) #8/10 in scoring, #7/10 in total offense, #8/10 in pass efficiency, #8/10 in 3rd down conversion rate, #8/10 red zone offense, #8/10 in TOP.

We're currently better in ALL of these categories except pass efficiency. And that is with a true FR qb instead of a rJR qb. So no, the offense was not better under meacham and he got fired as a result. I want cumbie gone but meach is a downgrade

This is exactly right...Meachum is not the answer..not even close

 

[ticketfrog123]

Third down conversion is still third down conversion. You either convert or you don’t. If you don’t get to third down you have nothing to convert or not convert.

Sample size doesn’t matter except to refine the outcome. I’m sure they have enough to make it an adequate sample at this point.

wrong way of looking at it. Who cares if OU is 40/60 on third down and TCU is 82/120...it’s all about points per Drive with an efficiency metric.

 

[Zubaz]

Let's just go ahead and check on this thread about Coach Patterson aaaaaand....

I see these kids on tv with little to no respect. I see their ideas on socialism, government, law enforcement, social compatibility, their need for immediate rewards with little effort AND wonder how do you motivate today's society?

With all due respect, this isn’t Elvis’ hip shaking we’re talking about. Many in the next generation have been institutionalized to believe that socialism - a form of government diametrically in conflict with the core principles that have resulted in American excellence - is not only acceptable, but desirable over the system that created the most prolific country in world history.