PhillyFrog
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QB Battle - I'm confused by KF reactions
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Planks
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The offense was pretty good in 2011 under Pachall. I’d take 2011 Pachall over 2017 Hill every day of the week.
As the years have gone on people seem to have forgotten how good 2011 Pachall was. Before the off field issues, before the broken arm, and most importantly before the loss of his OC/QB coach Justin Fuente, Pachall was a good quarterback with a promising future. A lot of felt like he might eventually end up in the NFL one day.
Frog-in-law1995
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Alcoholic, ftw!
Billy Clyde
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This game won't be won or lost until TCUDoc is heard from.
jake102
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No reason he wouldn't have gotten a shot at NFL without the myriad of problems. Then in 2013 TCU fielded the worst OL in P5 football
2314
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Synonym: Season opener
Froggish
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IMHO our inability to reload from year to year on the OL has been the catalysts for our bang or bust record since joining the Big 12. We have seen some really good and some really bad OL play. We have to find away to keep the drastic swings from happening
jake102
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And strangely enough, it's almost exclusively on the interior of the line. Our OTs have been quite good most every year (not 2013)
JockO de Frog
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I'll show my ignorance here (similar to my previous posts I'm sure) but why can't a good big OT transition to a very effective guard? I think you are right--we seem to find some good OTs (plus there seems to be more out of high school).
Eight
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that was a bit of a strange year as there just seemed something off step for the team that year, but casey's performance that year was indeed top notch.
his two touchdown throws at sdsu were great throws that both required accuracy, but one showed great touch and the other his arm strength.
i think it was jake who used the phrase "arm talent" for the traits of a quarterback and pachall showed he did have elite arm talent
Eight
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they can if you have someone, say austin last year who was moved inside against ohio state or the other austin (schlottman) who was the frogs most versatile offensive linemen quite possible since they have been in the big 12.
the problem was/is that tcu has never really had much depth in the offensive line for much of their time in the big 12 so they were working 6-7 offensive linemen.
really was feast or famine in those first 3 offensive line classes. frogs signed 14 offensive linemen and 7 hit big:
vaitai
hunt
collins
morris
noteboom
pryor
schlottman
all made big impacts in the line and all i believe are still on nfl rosters.
unfortunately, because of depth issues coming into the big 12 the frogs could only red-shirt 1 of those 7 (morris) and as result most were through by 2017.
additionally 6 of the 14 made little to no impact for a variety of reasons and all were gone as well by 2017. trey elliott was still with the program last year, but his development had been hurt by injuries.
2015 class 2 of the 4 aren't in the program, bolisomi has been slow to develop and cordel was hurth last year.
2016 class niang has been a home run, gaynor was mia until he got moved to center at the end of last year, myers has shown flashes, and hollins looked really raw last year
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tcudoc
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Billy Clyde
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Too latte, no takebacks, I humbly declare myself winner because rhyme, yo. (while googling [ What the heck? ] is aplanatic, suspicioning non-parallel synonym based on root word)
Froggish
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Swing and miss seems harsh but its pretty accurate really. That’s why I am of the opinion you need 4 OL every year and 1 probably need to come from the JC ranks..OL needs good coaching and a lot of bodies. It somewhat a law of averages.
Eight
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agree completely it sounds harsh, but when you look at those first 3 classes it wasn't a case of the players not really developing as much as not even being in the program 2-3 years after they signed.
chad childs - injuries
eason fromayan - transferred back home to ga. tech where he started as a junior
lloyd tunstill - never saw the field
ty barrett - transferred to sam houston after 2 seasons
frank kee - transferred to acu to play d-tackle
ryan griswold - injuries
when you aren't even getting back-up snaps it just kills any depth. bolisomi has been slow to develop at times, but he apparently has had a good spring and summer and he might allow them to slide austin myers inside for a few snaps a game which is something they just haven't been able to do in the past.
Ron Swanson
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I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Shawn Robinson has a cannon for an arm and I think they thought he was the total package who would hopefully develop into a Boykin-like talent. It wasn’t like he had a noodle-arm and great legs and they chose him over a proven pocket passer with a rocket arm in Mike Collins.
Shawn has every physical tool at his disposal, which is why he won the job.
texas_sicilian
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It was a thing of marvel to watch him consistently throw those absolute darts...
right into opposing players’ hands.
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SuperBarrFrog
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Does nothing to prove that they prefer a running QB. Point is SR had ability to do both and didn’t pan out. [ Finebaum ] happens.
ticketfrog123
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So the QB that can’t throw but can run will start the entire season?
Delton Could start the first few but don’t be shocked if “less mobile” Collins or Rogers takes over
SuperBarrFrog
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Can we please recycle more takes on here? This whole thread is a darn repeat of 3 others and I only got sucked back in cuz I’m drinking beers by the pool!
Damn. I quoted myself instead of the other dummy. Smart folks will figure it out.
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