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Mean Purple

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Dude, butt your head up against science all you want. But doctors say the same thing.
Look, if you want to be a stoner, yeah, well, that's on you. But don't try and play it that there are no effects on health. Look, hooking up with a string of hookers in Taipei is likely fun for some as well, but realize that your likely to come away with something other that the thrill if you gamble at that table too much.
 

SuperBarrFrog

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Dude, butt your head up against science all you want. But doctors say the same thing.
Look, if you want to be a stoner, yeah, well, that's on you. But don't try and play it that there are no effects on health. Look, hooking up with a string of hookers in Taipei is likely fun for some as well, but realize that your likely to come away with something other that the thrill if you gamble at that table too much.

No legit doctors claim marijuana is more harmful than alcohol. I never said there were no effects on health; luckily a lot of those are positive. Why are you so mad about it?
 

satis1103

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Dude, butt your head up against science all you want. But doctors say the same thing.
Look, if you want to be a stoner, yeah, well, that's on you. But don't try and play it that there are no effects on health. Look, hooking up with a string of hookers in Taipei is likely fun for some as well, but realize that your likely to come away with something other that the thrill if you gamble at that table too much.
Nobody came into this talking health food or cure-all. So let's be intellectually honest.

It's an intoxicant. It will have negative effects. Point I think SBF was trying to make is that - while not "good" for you per se - data suggests better for you systemically than alcohol. That's it. We'll get better health data as this steps out of the shadows and soon we'll figure it all out.
 

Chico Dusty

Active Member
Dude, butt your head up against science all you want. But doctors say the same thing.
Look, if you want to be a stoner, yeah, well, that's on you. But don't try and play it that there are no effects on health. Look, hooking up with a string of hookers in Taipei is likely fun for some as well, but realize that your likely to come away with something other that the thrill if you gamble at that table too much.

Booze will put you in the grave a lot faster than marijuana.
 

DixieFrog

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I clicked on the link. Some interesting quotes in there from the actual author and the doctors that treated the child:

Co-author Thomas Nappe stressed in an interview with The Washington Post that the marijuana was associated with the death but was not indicative of a cause-and-effect relationship. “We are absolutely not saying that marijuana killed that child,” Nappe told the Post.

The authors wrote that urine screening for marijuana may be useful if other patients come in with the same symptoms and doctors can’t find a cause.

“In the age of legalized marijuana, children are at increased risk of exposure, mainly through ingestion of food products, or ‘edibles,’” they wrote.

Doctors were skeptical of the connection, pointing out that there were still many other possible risk factors that could have caused the child’s condition. “It’s too much as far as I’m concerned,” Dr. Noah Kaufman, an emergency medicine specialist, told KUSA. “Because that is saying confidently that this is the first case. ‘We’ve got one!’ And I still disagree with that.”

You just can’t make those statements because then what happens is lay people say,Oh my God, did you hear a kid died from marijuana poisoning?’ and it can be sensationalized,” Noah Kaufman, a Northern Colorado emergency room physician, also told the Post.

Huh.

Here are some fun facts from the CDC:

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With the exception of heroin, all of the drugs listed here are prescribed by a person with a medical license. Alcohol is not even included in this chart and you have to assume those numbers are astronomical. Deadly pharmaceuticals are legally sold every day, while natural cannabis is still illegal in most states. Dumb.
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
I clicked on the link. Some interesting quotes in there from the actual author and the doctors that treated the child:

Co-author Thomas Nappe stressed in an interview with The Washington Post that the marijuana was associated with the death but was not indicative of a cause-and-effect relationship. “We are absolutely not saying that marijuana killed that child,” Nappe told the Post.

The authors wrote that urine screening for marijuana may be useful if other patients come in with the same symptoms and doctors can’t find a cause.

“In the age of legalized marijuana, children are at increased risk of exposure, mainly through ingestion of food products, or ‘edibles,’” they wrote.

Doctors were skeptical of the connection, pointing out that there were still many other possible risk factors that could have caused the child’s condition. “It’s too much as far as I’m concerned,” Dr. Noah Kaufman, an emergency medicine specialist, told KUSA. “Because that is saying confidently that this is the first case. ‘We’ve got one!’ And I still disagree with that.”

You just can’t make those statements because then what happens is lay people say,Oh my God, did you hear a kid died from marijuana poisoning?’ and it can be sensationalized,” Noah Kaufman, a Northern Colorado emergency room physician, also told the Post.

Huh.

Here are some fun facts from the CDC:

drug_overdose_deaths_in_2014_deaths_chartbuilder_c3fa06fa447dd8dfab2d4afe588ef2dd.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.png


With the exception of heroin, all of the drugs listed here are prescribed by a person with a medical license. Alcohol is not even included in this chart and you have to assume those numbers are astronomical. Deadly pharmaceuticals are legally sold every day, while natural cannabis is still illegal in most states. Dumb.

Geez, relax Spicoli, I’m not trying take your precious greenery.
 

DixieFrog

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Geez, relax Spicoli, I’m not trying take your precious greenery.

You're missing the point. Addiction is a deadly disease that has unfortunately become a common thread in our society and culture. When is the last time you watched the boob tube and did not see an ad for alcohol or a pill that would cure your disease (minus the garish side effects that are spouted at the end of each commercial)? The hypocrisy with legal intoxicants is FUBAR and there are lot of Americans that share this opinion. I have a family that has been devastated by addiction and I like to think my soapbox is built only on my personal experience.

No worries Hoosier, you can call me Spicoli.

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Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
You're missing the point. Addiction is a deadly disease that has unfortunately become a common thread in our society and culture. When is the last time you watched the boob tube and did not see an add for alcohol or a pill that would cure your disease (minus the garish side effects that are spouted at the end of each add)? The hypocrisy with legal intoxicants is FUBAR and there are lot of Americans that share this opinion. I have a family that has been devastated by addiction and I like to think my soapbox is built only on my personal experience.

No worries Hoosier, you can call me Spicoli.

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Yep. Addiction is horrible. Do you suppose there is a single person among those heroin deaths that didn’t get their start smoking weed? And no, I’m not saying they were addicted to grass. Just tossing out a question...
 

Chico Dusty

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Yep. Addiction is horrible. Do you suppose there is a single person among those heroin deaths that didn’t get their start smoking weed? And no, I’m not saying they were addicted to grass. Just tossing out a question...

Yeah, I’m sure plenty. It’s all subjective. There are millions of people that smoke weed who never dabble in other drugs. A lot of those heroin deaths were probably ppl who were injured and were prescribed pain killers and it progressed from there. Weed doesn’t make you want to try other drugs. The person wants to try other drugs.

The prescription pain pills to heroin is a natural progression because they have similar chemistry and act on similar parts of the brain. That makes sense. Weed progressing to other drugs doesn’t even make sense - weed you usually just want to chill, so you’re not going to say oh I want a bit more of that feeling, so let me go rip some white line - that is going to elevate my heart rate, adrenaline pump, and not be able to sleep for a bit.
 
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