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jake102

Active Member
Good call. Gehörnter Frosch is so concerned about turning a profit that he gave me the last 10 or so games of his hoops season tickets a few years back for free, because he could not use them. Such a terrible fan.

It just seems like he isn't making an effort to put purple in the stadium.
 

Peacefrog

Degenerate
Here's another example for you:
A friend of mine (not a TCU grad) used to purchase hundreds of season tickets for Lockheed Martin to distribute to employees each week. He would distribute them to random supervisors who would give them out as reward. Fans from the opposing schools would clamor for those tickets each week. He didn't differentiate. He also kept the priority points for himself for use at bowl games. I've been a season ticket holder for 40 years, in the neighborhood of 4 to 8 tickets. He did this for about 7 to 10 years. Guess where his seats for the Rose Bowl were versus mine?

It is a business. it's how I spend my discretionary entertainment dollar now. I guess I could take the system at face value and sit and complain about it....then I would be a true fan. I sat through the years when we lost every game and stayed the whole time. I've been to almost every bowl game since Franchonie, but I'm not a true fan because I now treat my relationship with TCU athletics, the way TCU athletics treats me. In the old stadium my season tickets were arm chairs on the 40. Now i'm in the end zone. It's the best I was offered. I vigorously root for the frogs each week, but I understand my place in the world.
In every stadium across America corporate donors and large personal donors get better access. You wouldn’t turn down 50 yard line seats if your company was providing the capital. You are complaining because you don’t outspend every one else. You want it both ways. World doesn’t work that way.

I don’t and will never treat it as a business. I enjoy the hell out of my TCU sports experiences. Saturday as one of the best days I’ve had in years. If thenfeogs had won then it would have been slightly better. When I think back years from now I really won’t care who won the game or if I got a free Pepsi. But I sure as ship will remember the day as greatness.

If I feel I no longer get appropriate value for my dollars at TCU I won’t spend them. But for now I buy 18 season tickets across 4 sports - win or lose. Not a business. Never sell my extras. Give them away when I can.

You are free to do it how you want.
 

Peacefrog

Degenerate
Poor response. We dump incredible amounts of money into this football program. My guess is that we are probably #3 in spend. We have Texas and Louisiana as our recruiting grounds. Two pipeline to the NFL states. We have maybe the best campus in the Big XII and now the #2 coach in the conference. He better figure Tom Hermann out to stay there, which sounds ridiculous to say. We should be over skid mark seasons by now. I'll take the high seasons, of course, by why is there now an expectation that we will have a 6-6 or 4-8 season every third year and trending to every other year? TCU with what it has built should win a minimum of 8 games a year. SMU and a cupcake are two of the wins every year.
Texas “dumps” way more than we do and just went on a near ten year run of ineptitude. Bad seasons happen everywhere. But your wild expectations won’t allow it for TCU? You aren’t a fan. You’re a success Leach that needs to be able to tell people how great his choice of teams is.
 

HToady

Full Member
In every stadium across America corporate donors and large personal donors get better access. You wouldn’t turn down 50 yard line seats if your company was providing the capital. You are complaining because you don’t outspend every one else. You want it both ways. World doesn’t work that way.
You've just responded to this thread (complaining about visiting fans taking season ticket spots) in the same way I was trying to...but in a much more articulate way.
 

LeagueCityFrog

Active Member
What you meant to say is you wish the Frogs had the PLAYERS that are running his offense.

Andy Reid seems to always know what players to "recruit" in the draft and he really knows how to bend an offense to whatever the skill set is of what he has. He's made a career out of it. Look what he did with McNab, then resurrected Alex Smith's career after San Fran chopped him, now he got to pick the guy he wanted fresh out of the draft kind of like getting to pick what kid out of high school you want to play for TCU. #coaching
 

frognutz

Active Member
Knowing your past -Yvette Bell says Hello, can't believe you missed her retirement party- Your attitude says it all.
Try this...don't buy all the tickets you buy, let them go in Pool and we shall see if there is demand. Your demand statement is not enough Frog fans want to pay your profit motive and Stubhub fees. Unlike other team fans who are too lazy to drive 5 hours to Lubbock or can't get tickets in Norman, so they splurge on 1 game every 2 years.
Can't believe such a High roller as you has to supplement your massive income by exploiting a ticket policy.
Oh and I have copied your post and sent your REAL name to Donati. Hopefully we will have 1 less issue in the future

Donati aint going to do [ Finebaum ]. Ticket sales will be down next season anyway and he's going to tell people they can't buy the tickets they have been buying in the past? Get real dude.
 

NewFrogFan

Full Member
Sell them to frogs, give them to co workers at the office who will rep the frogs and if that fails sell them at the stadium to some frogs. Selling to the opponents fan base should be a last resort unless they are family or a friend who is close enough to be family. Don’t buy season Tickets that will go unused by frogs and turned for profit. Keep the stadium purple and have some pride.

Also, Our in game atmosphere this season has been weak, imo. This is not a tough place to play. Players feed off of a rowdy and loud crowd and I haven’t seen much of that this season.

Just be advised, I have given away tickets I could have sold, only to see the person I gave the tickets too, sell them. In addition, I have seen too many times to count TCU fans that refused to pay even face value for GREAT seats being sold for face value. The other place I go to games the face value is 40% more and the seats are no where near as nice, and dont last 30 seconds.
 

Dogfrog

Active Member
Just be advised, I have given away tickets I could have sold, only to see the person I gave the tickets too, sell them. In addition, I have seen too many times to count TCU fans that refused to pay even face value for GREAT seats being sold for face value. The other place I go to games the face value is 40% more and the seats are no where near as nice, and dont last 30 seconds.

I think we are all keenly aware that there are glaring differences between TCU and LSU. Thank God.
 

CountryFrog

Active Member
I don't buy the idea that just because the team is struggling this year is why some of these things are happening. Even the years where we're great this kind of thing has happened since the new stadium being built.

There are lots of reasons why people might buy extra tickets and that's their choice. But if you're ONLY buying extra tickets with the intent of selling them then that's BS. If you take pride in doing that and feel like some kind of genius business mastermind then you should be able to find other ways of making money without hurting the team that you claim to be a fan of.

If you look at going to games as a business then that's also BS. I go because I love TCU sports and I enjoy supporting the team. Never once have I considered it a business. I've had countless opportunities to sell tickets before and never done it. I give extras when I have them to family, friends, co workers. There's even a guy who I've never met that goes to the same gym as my dad who loves TCU football and basketball but doesn't have season tickets. I'll give extras to him so he can go with his kids.

There are PLENTY of people in this area who would love to go to a TCU game. If you give them tickets to one or two then they may turn into season ticket holders themselves. And if those people turn around and sell the tickets you gave them then that's on them. Just don't give tickets to those people again. I'd personally be pretty pissed if someone turned a gift from me into a chance to profit but that's just me.
 

Peacefrog

Degenerate
What exactly is a "true fan"?
I could answer this in a number of different ways. But, you and I have already established that we differ tremendously on how we go about being a fan. Nothing I say is going to make a difference.

All I can say is that I’m not upset in any way that I paid for season tickets again this year. The results are worse than I had hoped but I have enjoyed every game I’ve attended. I don’t live and die by on field results or recruiting news. If anyone finds themselves so upset by these things I suggest they find something that doesn’t cause them so much consternation. Life is too short.
 
Diehard, treating long time TCU season ticket holders during the reseating process like they were the proletariat and the big wigs like they are the ruling elite, exempt from the same rules of fairness as the rest of us is not capitalism, that’s the rough definition of a socialist market

Do you have a TCU degree and take economics class? Fans with more money get nicer things, and then they can go on the free market to sell those tickets to whoever will pay the most money. Which is free market capitalism. The Golden Rule: "He who have the most gold rules"
 

LeagueCityFrog

Active Member
Were we suppose to have a flyover last Saturday that got aborted because of low clouds or something? Reason I asked is that I saw a handful of military guys in flight jump suits taking pictures with the Showgirls in the 4th quarter. Just curious and love those flyovers.
 

Horned Toad

Active Member
Do you have a TCU degree and take economics class? Fans with more money get nicer things, and then they can go on the free market to sell those tickets to whoever will pay the most money. Which is free market capitalism. The Golden Rule: "He who have the most gold rules"

Respectfully, since you brought it up, are you sure you were paying attention in your MBA class? That may be the rule in pure capitalism but it is not a great strategy to fill a stadium with happy long term consumers. You completely missed the point of my reply. I’m not opposed to the +4, I am opposed to proper weight not having been given in the decision making process on how tickets were to be allocated based on an expanded criteria that was not considered by TCU and is purely speculative on my part on how TCU could have created a situation that would have ended in more happy customers.

As I said the big wigs should have got the first choice of better seats, they sacrificed a lot of capital to get those better seats but not necessisarily the most capital over an extended period of multi-year purchases and an investment of sweat equity of being there through thick and thin which should have also been recognized and weighted in the priority point system. And as I pointed out, the big money guys should get first choice, and they did. But they should not have had the choice to hoard all the best tickets to the detriment of the majority of fans. This would have created less hard feelings and better ticket distribution to fans, better seating distribution and proportional visitor/home team fan density, making happier customers overall. I learned that in my first year economics and marketing classes that the more happy customers that you have the better long term prospects your business faces especially during hard times when you may have to weather a storrm. I don’t need an MBA to discern that this was a bad plan with bad results that will negatively effect TCU in the long term. If the goal was to grab as much money as possible during the reseating process then TCU was very successful. If the goal was to create happy fans overall then they failed miserably. That horse is out of the barn and is unlikely to be corrected and this is all an exercise in futile wishful thinking on what could have been.
 

GetToTheQB

Active Member
Poor response. We dump incredible amounts of money into this football program. My guess is that we are probably #3 in spend. We have Texas and Louisiana as our recruiting grounds. Two pipeline to the NFL states. We have maybe the best campus in the Big XII and now the #2 coach in the conference. He better figure Tom Hermann out to stay there, which sounds ridiculous to say. We should be over skid mark seasons by now. I'll take the high seasons, of course, by why is there now an expectation that we will have a 6-6 or 4-8 season every third year and trending to every other year? TCU with what it has built should win a minimum of 8 games a year. SMU and a cupcake are two of the wins every year.

I am on the same page as you, not as radical but I agree. I think this is a well articulated viewpoint and is completely relevant! When do we draw the line that
1. Yes, we are a small school in a big country of programs,
2. BUT, we now bring in talent that we never have even smelled before, and we are dropping games.
3. We have in the past prided ourselves on being the underdog, but now we are not...
4. People are adapting to this idea we are a good program in the B12- why is this always shot down with these statements of "expecting good years every year! you must not know our history" I just think this viewpoint is completely primitive and sorry.

Not saying we go 11-1 and to the NY6 every year... but where is the line drawn between wanting greatness and pardoning it for our past. THink its a question that needs to be thought about.
 

LeagueCityFrog

Active Member
I am on the same page as you, not as radical but I agree. I think this is a well articulated viewpoint and is completely relevant! When do we draw the line that
1. Yes, we are a small school in a big country of programs,
2. BUT, we now bring in talent that we never have even smelled before, and we are dropping games.
3. We have in the past prided ourselves on being the underdog, but now we are not...
4. People are adapting to this idea we are a good program in the B12- why is this always shot down with these statements of "expecting good years every year! you must not know our history" I just think this viewpoint is completely primitive and sorry.

Not saying we go 11-1 and to the NY6 every year... but where is the line drawn between wanting greatness and pardoning it for our past. THink its a question that needs to be thought about.

Thank you.
 

Brog

Full Member
Hard to ignore the fact that as long as we're winning, Donati is great, Patterson is great, offensive coach is great, defensive coach is great, quarterback is great, Boschini is great, concession stands are great, parking is (well not everything is great), but lose games like these last four, and everyone connected with TCU (can you say) sucks.
 
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