There has never been a Team seeded lower than 8 win a Final Four game. And there has never been a team seeded lower than 11 even make a Final Four. So the bottom 24 teams in the field (teams 45-68) have yet to make a Final Four......in 37 years of the current format. Teams 33-44 have only made the Final Four 6 times in 37 years. And there are teams that are finishing in the bottom half of their league making the Championship tournament. It's already way out of balance.
This is another subject for a another time, but college basketball has the same OOC scheduling issue as college football. Games against crap schools that cheat the fans. Our run through the SWAC and the Southland Conference this year was a waste, and everyone does it, not just us, so we are FAR from the most guilty party.
And then stands are 1/3 full and people wonder why.
I'm sorry, but that movie thing is a TERRIBLE analogy.You just don't get it. Sports use math, but they are not about math.
Here are some numbers to look up that might put it in a different perspective. How many movies are there about the dominant team that is favored to win and then does? vs How many movies are there about some underdog team trying to win a championship or player that must overcome adversity? next how much money does each of the two choices of movies bring in?
People like underdogs. They like feel good stories. That brings in money. The only people that care about Alabama winning another title are Alabama fans (A&M fans living vicariously through Alabama), gamblers, and those that just like to root for a winner because they have no self value.
WVU draws first blood in Big XII tourney, quieting the KSU fans in Kansas City. Gonna be tougher tomorrow vs the Jayhawks.
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He was a really good coach, but probably time to hang it up.K-State about to be on the market for a coach too.
Agree. Generally underrated. Won two regular season titles in a league owned by big brother down the street—big deal. But it’s been a rough past few years. Tough business.He was a really good coach, but probably time to hang it up.
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I'm sorry, but that movie thing is a TERRIBLE analogy.
I thought we were talking 68 team basketball. Changing the target. Two very different situations. Go to the proposed 12/16 team playoff and you get more chances for the cinderella. That wont make the regular season less important, which is the entire premise of this discussion.I'm told every December that basically the only reason the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas make the CFP is because ESPN wants them there. If that's the case, I assume they want them there so they can make more money because any other explanation would make absolutely zero sense. And now you're telling me what really brings in the money is feel good stories and underdogs. Which is it? Because it can't be both.
if football could play a 64 team tournament in a month - we would have an expanded playoff already because it would not be such a monumental task to orchestrate. But since football is one game and week and takes a huge toll on the players - we will never have an expanded playoff, probably never even go to 8, simply because college players are not going to want to play 16 games to win a championshipI'm sorry, but that movie thing is a TERRIBLE analogy.
I'm told every December that basically the only reason the Alabamas, Ohio States and Oklahomas make the CFP is because ESPN wants them there. If that's the case, I assume they want them there so they can make more money because any other explanation would make absolutely zero sense. And now you're telling me what really brings in the money is feel good stories and underdogs. Which is it? Because it can't be both.
FWIW, there's a couple pretty good recent examples of this.....when Cinderella story Loyola with their old nun cheerleader played Michigan a few years it was a lowly-rated game, in the bottom 25% of all semi-final games in the past 25 years. Heck, Wisconsin-Kentucky drew almost 10M more viewers in a semi-final just a few years earlier. The George Mason run in 2006 didn't draw many any more eyeballs than any other year, and much fewer than the previous year when UNC-Illinois-Michigan State-Louisville played.
I’d be very surprised if Underwood wanted that jobAgree. Generally underrated. Won two regular season titles in a league owned by big brother down the street—big deal. But it’s been a rough past few years. Tough business.
K-State internet fans are pushing for Brad Underwood (played there in the 80s and was a long time assistant under Frank Martin) but I don’t see them being able to afford him unless they make some major changes to their spending. Underwood makes $3.4 at Illinois and has a rumored $10 M buyout. Weber was around $2.8 M and KSU isn’t exactly a big spender in any sport.
I’d be very surprised if Underwood wanted that job
Even if he is an alum, I can not imagine underwood would leave Illinois for ksu. Illinois is a great college basketball job and he is doing great there. Heck, he just won the big 10 regular season championship. In all honesty, there are probably only 10-15 jobs that are better than Illinois.
I’d be very surprised if Underwood wanted that job
I honestly don't think this will be a factor at all in any coach's decisions going forward. Every team is subject to lose a lot of pieces, every year. It's a year-to-year deal now.Completely agree. Like we did with Dixon when Johnson got hired, your AD has to go after your alum and see if there’s any interest (and if so whether you can scratch up the money). Underwood is going to lose a lot of pieces this off season so he might tell his agent to at least listen. But Illinois is easily a better job than k-state, and I doubt he will engage in talks before k-state needs to make a hire if they’re going to poach a hot mid-major.
Good point.I honestly don't think this will be a factor at all in any coach's decisions going forward. Every team is subject to lose a lot of pieces, every year. It's a year-to-year deal now.
I would laugh if they went and poached NDSU again. Becoming their university farm team.My K-State friends say that South Dakota State's coach, North Dakota State's coach and Bradley's coach are the most realistic candidates assuming Underwood doesn't show interest.