froginaustin
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Old men?
That don't mind screechy shrill dugout chatter, I guess.
Old men?
I've never understood the "we can't afford more baseball schollies" argument. I'm not expert at academic institution accounting, but it seems like a simple red enough cost to offset in a host of ways. If you add 18 schollies to a baseball team why not add 18 slots to the freshman classes you bring in every year. Then you still get the same amount of revenue as you budgeted for and the only additional cost burden is meals and lodging, which could be further offset by adding another handful or two to the freshman classes. It's hard for me to believe that almost every school that plays baseball couldn't find a way to add 25 - 30 more students to offset this cost. It's not like the university loses money by adding additional kids to class who get to go for free. They just lose the opportunity at revenue when kids going for free take spots from kids who will pay.
Ultimately, I think Punter is right that the product on the field would improve dramatically and baseball would become a revenue sport for a lot more schools. College baseball is terrific. You bring a lot more talent into it due to the major shift happening in minor league baseball and it gets way better. The fact that college baseball starts right after football ends feels like a natural TV interest. NCAA needs to get busy.
How much of that $750K is schollies? How much does that go up if you add 18 schollies to it? In actual costs? Because, as I outlined in my thought experiment earlier, it seems like tuition and lodging would essentially add no real costs to the university if you added 18 more freshmen to the incoming class to keep your revenue stream on budget and cover the 18 schollies. Am I missing something?Just a few years ago the average baseball program cost its school about $750,000. Hockey was worse but far fewer play it.
How much of that $750K is schollies? How much does that go up if you add 18 schollies to it? In actual costs? Because, as I outlined in my thought experiment earlier, it seems like tuition and lodging would essentially add no real costs to the university if you added 18 more freshmen to the incoming class to keep your revenue stream on budget and cover the 18 schollies. Am I missing something?
I'm not arguing against your view but merely parroting the schools' argument. It's all smoke and mirrors as far as I am concerned. And I would bet that even though 18 more kids to you and I doesn't cost any real money, the school from a cost accounting perspective would multiply 18 by $50 or $60k to get the "cost" to the University, or whatever the all-in cost is. Again, I think they have too much money to begin with so I don't care, but they sure seem to think it's a big deal.How much of that $750K is schollies? How much does that go up if you add 18 schollies to it? In actual costs? Because, as I outlined in my thought experiment earlier, it seems like tuition and lodging would essentially add no real costs to the university if you added 18 more freshmen to the incoming class to keep your revenue stream on budget and cover the 18 schollies. Am I missing something?
Well, the costs of TCU are different from than the cost of TCU Athletics. Two completely different funds. So by adding more scholarships it would also force the Frog Club to raise more money. Not saying they can't but it's not as easy as adding 18 more students.
How much of that $750K is schollies? How much does that go up if you add 18 schollies to it? In actual costs? Because, as I outlined in my thought experiment earlier, it seems like tuition and lodging would essentially add no real costs to the university if you added 18 more freshmen to the incoming class to keep your revenue stream on budget and cover the 18 schollies. Am I missing something?
I think his point was the “funding” on tuition forApparently the majority of scholarships for baseball aren’t currently fully funded as things stand now. Triple the number of slots and that problem gets worse. Or so I have been told.
I thought it was posted recently that the NCAA changed the way schools fund baseball that helps the private schools.
How does that play into this conversation?
Would have to be - and that helps some since now certain types of non-athletic aid can be given on top Of athletic scholarships and not count against the 11.7 - so more options to cut the attendance costs for smart athletesYou’re talking about scholarship stacking I presume.
Would have to be - and that helps some since now certain types of non-athletic aid can be given on top Of athletic scholarships and not count against the 11.7 - so more options to cut the attendance costs for smart athletes
but you still have to have athletes that can qualify for those additional scholarships which are mostly academic since the need based grants seemed to have been excluded and an athlete would have to choose between the two
and of course a school that has the endowment to fund a lot of academic aid across the student body - which is where the private school is also helped out more often than public schools
The economic threshold is interesting- when I read the stacking decision it made it seem like if a school is not charging tuition for students whose parent make under say $100k - because that is need based, not academic - you can’t stack itThe endowment issue is the biggie. Let’s SOME private schools compete for a larger pool of student athletes. But also some public schools that have established certain economic thresholds.
The economic threshold is interesting- when I read the stacking decision it made it seem like if a school is not charging tuition for students whose parent make under say $100k - because that is need based, not academic - you can’t stack it
so if a kid qualified for that free tuition and played baseball - it would count as a full scholarship out of the 11.7 if it can’t be stacked wouldn’t it?
I get that they're totally different funds. What I don't get is why the cost to TCU Athletics has to be $50K/year when the cost on the academic side is really much less than $50K/year. My company builds shower enclosures and mirrors. If we sell to an employee we only charge the cost of materials and labor to the company. Why would a university charge its athletics department more than the actual cost? It seems like weird accounting games to me.Well, the costs of TCU are different from than the cost of TCU Athletics. Two completely different funds. So by adding more scholarships it would also force the Frog Club to raise more money. Not saying they can't but it's not as easy as adding 18 more students.
How do you keep the mirrors from fogging up?I get that they're totally different funds. What I don't get is why the cost to TCU Athletics has to be $50K/year when the cost on the academic side is really much less than $50K/year. My company builds shower enclosures and mirrors. If we sell to an employee we only charge the cost of materials and labor to the company. Why would a university charge its athletics department more than the actual cost? It seems like weird accounting games to me.
I realize the 18 additional students would only have a negligible effect on diffusing total cost per student to the university, but the the real cost on the bottom line of 18 additional students to fund baseball schollies would be negligible.
Had no idea
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