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The Disappearance of Amon G. Carter's Home Field Advantage and Ways to Fix It.

tcumaniac

Full Member
Agree. A seat filled by an opposing team’s fan is better than an empty seat IMO.
I get where you are coming from, and from a very high level perspective I agree, but you, @froginmn, and others are completely overlooking a very obvious reality.

Eliminating chronic stubhub resellers doesn't mean more empty seats or that less opposing fans attend games.

It simply helps ensure that our best seats are primarily occupied by TCU fans, and that most opposing fans are sitting in worse seats than our fans are.

In our current state, a huge chunk of opposing fans end up sitting in better seats than our season ticket holders even have access to due to stubhub resellers than have been hoarding up extra seats and growing their priority point total for years.

With my suggestions, TCU fans that typically use their tickets but can't attend a game would still have the right to sell their tickets on stubhub for a particular game or two and opposing fans would still have access to buying these seats. BUT for the most part, the amount of inventory available on stubhub for premium seats would greatly decrease, putting our best seats in the hands of real TCU fans, and forcing many opposing fans to buy less premium tickets through the TCU ticket office.
 

Dr. Coach Haus

Active Member
Maniac,

I admire your fandom and it is good to have dreams. Just remember that Money talks and [ deposit from a bull that looks like Art Briles ] walks. Make sure to look at ftwfrog's post. That is accurate.

The resell piece you follow must only be for the between the 20 seats. I sit elsewhere and I have 2 seats that have never been occupied by the same people the entire time I have had my seats. There is no way that guy made his money back this year with 5 of the games having them empty. These are 300 level, first row.
Yes, I would love more frogs in the stadium, but this is all about money.

I hated the elimination of the in and out policy, as my son and I would go out every halftime and always return. ALWAYS! Once again, that was a money move to profit off of beer sales and concessions. The attendance did not change in the second half because people didn't have in and out.

Lot 4 still charges the same amount even though the lot had to have been at least 1/4 unsold. I cannot afford the "additional donation" to get the better seats and I will probably have to look at moving out of Lot 4 with my family of 4. It is a business. I love your pipe dream, but TCU will not piss off Big $$$ donors to help out more loyal fans, that was evident with the first stadium reseat.

The one thing I do agree with is the configuration of the lower westside. Just dumb eliminating seats there. Still could charge a large "donation privilege" for those seats and they still would have all been sold out. Probably to corporate ppl, but still.

If we keep losing like we do, stubhub people will start to leave, at least in the cheaper seats.
 

Pharm Frog

Full Member
Small difference is that Steel doesn't pretend to be anything other than that. If you want to hire Steel, you can. If you don't, then don't.

TCU plays on people's loyalties, almost like a religion. TCU literally begs for money. Remember them begging for money in the latest capital campaign right during the Texas game this year? TCU begs for money as if poor, and at the same time never misses an opportunity to make money. Their first question when it comes to any decision is, how do we profit from this?
It must be liberating to know you are are a money Briles and make no representation to the contrary. That said...I don’t mind appeals to loyalty or pathos marketing. If I’m too dumb or weak to make a rational decision about how to spend my money based on whatever criteria I decide on...shame on me...not them.
 

tcumaniac

Full Member
I will continue to do so as long as you keep complaining about everything and being a hypocrite. The seats go to those that buy them. They can do whatever they want with them. Just like you do with your four extra tickets.

And you know you want club seats. You would take them in a heartbeat if you could.
Your dislike for me is blinding you from suggestions that would benefit not only our entire fans base, but also our team and coaches. This isn't about taking away seats from people that use them. It's about getting our best seats in the hands of real TCU fans, rather than letting them be hoarded and resold by people that never intend to sit in them.

I'm very conservative in nature, and I'm a huge proponent of capitalism and a free market, but in this circumstance, TCU owes it to the well-being of the football program to ensure our fans are in our best seats and that we have as good of a home field advantage as possible.

And yes, the club is very enjoyable to sit in, and when I've been offered club seats in the past, I've certainly taken them, but it's not a section I currently aspire to have seats in at this point. I go to football games to watch football. The added cost of the club section is far from worth it to me. I'd much rather use that extra money to invest or go skiing.
 

steelfrog

Tier 1
2020 TCU Football Schedule

Sept. 5 – at California
Sept. 12 – Prairie View A&M
Sept. 26 – at SMU
Oct. 3 – Oklahoma State
Oct. 10 – at West Virginia
Oct. 17 – Kansas State
Oct. 24 – at Baylor
Oct. 31 – Oklahoma
Nov. 7 – Iowa State

Nov. 14 – at Texas
Nov. 21 – Texas Tech
Nov. 28 – at Kansas
 

Dogfrog

Active Member
People do profit from stubhub, and those who don’t at least help to defray their TCU season ticket expense and get the priority points, while often hurting the game day experience of fellow Frog fans. Not saying anything Could or should be done about it but it is denial to state otherwise.
 

LeagueCityFrog

Active Member
2020 TCU Football Schedule

Sept. 5 – at California
Sept. 12 – Prairie View A&M
Sept. 26 – at SMU
Oct. 3 – Oklahoma State
Oct. 10 – at West Virginia
Oct. 17 – Kansas State
Oct. 24 – at Baylor
Oct. 31 – Oklahoma
Nov. 7 – Iowa State

Nov. 14 – at Texas
Nov. 21 – Texas Tech
Nov. 28 – at Kansas

If we get the offense fixed, with the defense coming back, and the hard teams coming to the Carter... We could win all these games OR find a way to have another unnecessary bad season. So frustrating. Fix that passing offense.
 

Peacefrog

Degenerate
Your dislike for me is blinding you from suggestions that would benefit not only our entire fans base, but also our team and coaches. This isn't about taking away seats from people that use them. It's about getting our best seats in the hands of real TCU fans, rather than letting them be hoarded and resold by people that never intend to sit in them.

I'm very conservative in nature, and I'm a huge proponent of capitalism and a free market, but in this circumstance, TCU owes it to the well-being of the football program to ensure our fans are in our best seats and that we have as good of a home field advantage as possible.

And yes, the club is very enjoyable to sit in, and when I've been offered club seats in the past, I've certainly taken them, but it's not a section I currently aspire to have seats in at this point. I go to football games to watch football. The added cost of the club section is far from worth it to me. I'd much rather use that extra money to invest or go skiing.
The definition of “real” TCU fans is subjective and open to interpretation.

I have never met you. I don’t know you. It would be impossible for me to dislike you because of that. I don’t, however, agree with nor like your opinions or antics. You may be a fine human for all I know.
 

steelfrog

Tier 1
Maniac doesn't need (or want, probably) Steel to vouch for him, but other than a defective ankle, he is a fine yooman, and well-meaning. Like many youngsters, he can be idealistic and that's not a bad quality really. Oldsters like Steel tend to think of it as bad though, but youthful energy and idealism is what changes the world for the better.
 

tcumaniac

Full Member
The definition of “real” TCU fans is subjective and open to interpretation.

I have never met you. I don’t know you. It would be impossible for me to dislike you because of that. I don’t, however, agree with nor like your opinions or antics. You may be a fine human for all I know.

Not really. I think a seat being occupied by a "real" TCU fan is pretty black and white. "Real" literally meaning an actual person that occupies a seat and cheers for TCU. If you want to argue semantics, sure, most seats sold on stubhub are sold by "real" TCU fans that have other seats elsewhere in the stadium that they actually sit in. Problem being, more often than not, those extra seats they sell on stubhub end up in the hands of people rooting for the other team, aka non "real" TCU fans. Opposing team fans are going to attend games in our stadium. That's a fact. I just think we should do a much better job limiting the access they have to our best seats, while ensuring those same seats are controlled and occupied by fans cheering for TCU.

And fair enough. FWIW, every person I've ever met in real life from killerfrogs, whether I've disliked them or they disliked me on this board, has been perfectly pleasant and enjoyable to interact with in real life.
 

tcumaniac

Full Member
Maniac doesn't need (or want, probably) Steel to vouch for him, but other than a defective ankle, he is a fine yooman, and well-meaning. Like many youngsters, he can be idealistic and that's not a bad quality really. Oldsters like Steel tend to think of it as bad though, but youthful energy and idealism is what changes the world for the better.
Thanks for the kind words Steel. But you're right. Not sure how much weight they carry on this board. Probably only hurts my cause.

But let's get one thing straight. While you may label me as "idealistic," I want to make it very clear that I DO NOT align with the idiots of my generation that advocate for socialism, free health care, free college, and all the other make believe, fantasy world ideas they promote.

I simply want TCU fans that cheer for our team sitting in our best seats. Not fans from the other team.
 

steelfrog

Tier 1
Thanks for the kind words Steel. But you're right. Not sure how much weight they carry on this board. Probably only hurts my cause.

But let's get one thing straight. While you may label me as "idealistic," I want to make it very clear that I DO NOT align with the idiots of my generation that advocate for socialism, free health care, free college, and all the other make believe, fantasy world ideas they promote.

I simply want TCU fans that cheer for our team sitting in our best seats. Not fans from the other team.

Steel knows that; Steel was not implying political leanings. Steel has a few kids of your generation (slightly younger) and some of them are conservative, some are liberal. All are idealistic.
 

Salfrog

Tier 1
Winning will cure at least 90% of the problems. Keep putting crap out on the field, and good luck filling the Carter. Stop with this "my defense" is all that matters mentality. Last I looked, it takes offense, defense, and special teams to win ball games. There was a time when we did those things. Not anymore.
 

Dogfrog

Active Member
The only time having opposing fans in the stadium hurts my game day experience is when we lose.

When we win, it’s awesome

So, to improve the game day experience, win more games

95% of the time you are correct. But I have had a couple totally miserable times with drunk and disorderly opponent fans, constantly screaming MFers and such right behind my wife and MIL that required getting directly involved. Again, this is extremely rare but it does happen and not pleasant.
 

BrewingFrog

Was I supposed to type something here?
95% of the time you are correct. But I have had a couple totally miserable times with drunk and disorderly opponent fans, constantly screaming MFers and such right behind my wife and MIL that required getting directly involved. Again, this is extremely rare but it does happen and not pleasant.
This.

We literally had drunken, stupid, and loud K. State fans sitting in seats behind Mrs. Brewingfrog and I some years ago that were the last straw. We moved after that season, mainly due to the fact that those seats were never, ever occupied by TCU folk.

It still pisses me off that, according to TCU at the time, I was not "loyal" enough (i.e. willing to write a lot of checks) to get nicer seats. No, I was less "loyal" than people who sell their seats on StubHub to whoever. Evidently, I still am...
 

Big Frog II

Active Member
The bottom line is to win. That is how you solve the problem. Season ticket holders make a point to be at the game. Students make a point to be at the game. If the visitor knows he or she is going to get drilled, they will stay away.

Fix our offense and problem solved.
 
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