Zack Allen was the best QB today
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TK2000
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The TCU vs UT 2007 game is on you tube. Go watch that to see how prolific Dalton was as a freshman against a Big 12 team. It's pretty embarrassing. Dalton didn't really make noise until his 3rd year when the whole team was balanced and our O line was stacked. A lot of pieces need to be in place for the 2014 QB to look great.
SwissArmyFrog
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TK2000 said:
I just re-watched that game (just every TCU offensive play), and I found Dalton's personal level of play very respectable, especially for a freshman. On the second to last drive they flashed the stats, 19 of 29, no INTs or TDs. Did throw an INT right near the end, though (which seems to be common on last-minute drives). Didn't have the ball much in the 2nd half, unfortunately - UTs D stiffened and their offense started having more success.
Even then you could see he would be a good weapon carrying the ball, too.
TCURiggs
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SwissArmyFrog said:
Not trying to argue about a game from 2007, but he was 23/37 for 208 yds (5.6 avg), 1 INT, no TDs, and he had 7 rushes for -16 yds. He also led our offense to a whopping 6 points (we had a defensive TD). He would've been crucified if he did that for TCU in 2012 or 2013
Perhaps it was easier to see what a weapon he would be because you know how his career has played out?
SwissArmyFrog
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Riggs, I was only watching his own play in that game. Mostly, I wanted to see how well his passes were targeted, but I also wanted to see how he did, all-around.
He did run well (for a QB), but he was sacked a few times, which seriously affected his running numbers - but again, I didn't go by the numbers. I watched every run he made - how he ran - and his play there - still tough going vs. UT's D - was very respectable. There were a number of option plays where there was just place to go, and got losses. But it wasn't because he played badly.
23/37 is good, but 208 yards is substandard.
But I watched each pass he made, and his passing was very respectable. Especially for a Freshman. Could he have gotten us more? Was CGP holding back, not risking bad plays from a Freshman? Perhaps. I think something Mistletoad said somewhere did apply in this game - that AD's long ball wasn't good, then, and I don't recall a long ball thrown by AD in this game.
UT's defense was too good for us, but it wasn't because AD played badly. He didn't play well enough for us to get more, given the day their D had (especially in the 2nd half, and their offense taking much time off the clock in the 2nd), but his play wasn't bad.
He wasn't great, but I found him respectable.
He did run well (for a QB), but he was sacked a few times, which seriously affected his running numbers - but again, I didn't go by the numbers. I watched every run he made - how he ran - and his play there - still tough going vs. UT's D - was very respectable. There were a number of option plays where there was just place to go, and got losses. But it wasn't because he played badly.
23/37 is good, but 208 yards is substandard.
But I watched each pass he made, and his passing was very respectable. Especially for a Freshman. Could he have gotten us more? Was CGP holding back, not risking bad plays from a Freshman? Perhaps. I think something Mistletoad said somewhere did apply in this game - that AD's long ball wasn't good, then, and I don't recall a long ball thrown by AD in this game.
UT's defense was too good for us, but it wasn't because AD played badly. He didn't play well enough for us to get more, given the day their D had (especially in the 2nd half, and their offense taking much time off the clock in the 2nd), but his play wasn't bad.
He wasn't great, but I found him respectable.
SwissArmyFrog
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steelfrog said:
If true, I change my mind, and AD's play in that game was crap.
I liked my own post - first time EVER!!!
SwissArmyFrog
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It is and I won't!!!!!
tcufrogprince1
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wes said:
Hmmm.... steel loves to give poles and west is always good for a pole.
If Saturday was any indication, Boykin should get back to WR as soon as possible. Been disappointed the new coaches haven't moved him. He needs reps at WR.
He has terrific hands, and that's why they play him as punt returner. Usually don't have your QB returning punts, of course. He caught 11 passes the first game after Pachall returned from injury. He can catch anything and he is big enough to be a tough tackle when hit by small corners, even safties. Hard to jam him at the line too.
He did his usual at QB Saturday, struggling with decisions. Once he had perfect blocking, seemed to panic, rolled away from his protection and managed to lose 20 yards. On another play he fumbled a perfect snap, panic-ed and threw an interception. Why they subject the poor kid to this, is a big disappointment from the new coaches. Maybe they have been told to play him there. Who knows?
He has terrific hands, and that's why they play him as punt returner. Usually don't have your QB returning punts, of course. He caught 11 passes the first game after Pachall returned from injury. He can catch anything and he is big enough to be a tough tackle when hit by small corners, even safties. Hard to jam him at the line too.
He did his usual at QB Saturday, struggling with decisions. Once he had perfect blocking, seemed to panic, rolled away from his protection and managed to lose 20 yards. On another play he fumbled a perfect snap, panic-ed and threw an interception. Why they subject the poor kid to this, is a big disappointment from the new coaches. Maybe they have been told to play him there. Who knows?
Frogs On A Plane
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Gunner said:
Yes. I am sure they were told to play him at QB even if they think he is the worst option. That makes a TON of sense.
TCURiggs
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Gunner said:
You're a crazy person. Boykin just flat-out moved the first team offense better than Matthews on Saturday... had more first downs, more completions, fewer turnovers, and Listenbee dropped a perfectly thrown TD pass. There's no denying any of that. I'm not sure why you only pick out the negative plays when talking about him, but it's ridiculous. He's still at QB because no one has beat him out for the job, which means he may be the best one on our roster... not that hard to figure out. Give it a rest with taking shots at the guy... that last paragraph is garbage
gohornedfrogs
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I agree with this. The coaches are in a much better position to make this judgment than any of us, and they keep coming to the same realization -- and that is Boykin is the best guy for the job right now. Somebody else might step up and take it away from him, but until that happens, he's staying at QB.TCURiggs said:
