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ESPN?? "Great win for the Dallas Area"

Frog DJ

Frog DJ

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Like many of you, I have lived in both Dallas and Fort Worth, and I will admit I loved them both - but for entirely different reasons.

I agree with those who point to the cultural distinctions of each city as the source for Fort Worth's irritation at being called "Dallas."

A Dallas colleague who began working at a FW radio station where I was employed once remarked to me, "What's wrong with Fort Worth?"

I responded, "I don't think you quite understand. Fort Worth doesn't want to be Dallas. It's actually proud of its down-home vibe."

That story - to me - demonstrates the frustration many Fort Worth citizens feel.

Go Frogs!
 
frognutz

frognutz

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Purp said:
I think the cultural distinction between the two cities is much greater than the distance would indicate. IMO, the "sensitivity" to this routine oversight is less about [John Holmes] measuring and more about that cultural aspect. I don't live in Fort Worth proper, but i also don't want to be associated with Dallas b/c that place sucks. I know b/c I work in Dallas.

I'll grant you that most of these broadcast simpletons who refer to Fort Worth as Dallas have no idea that there is even a minor cultural difference between the two cities and, if they did, most wouldn't care less about it b/c they don't live close enough for it to mean anything to them. In that sense, you really can't fault their ignorance, but their carelessness is symptomatic of other types of laziness in journalism about which we all complain.

But that doesn't make the cultural difference meaningless. Ask nwla about the difference between Shreveport and Bossier City. They're even closer than Fort Worth and Dallas, but the distinction is important. San Francisco and Oakland aren't amalgamated into one, though a physical geographic barrier may have something to do with that. Maybe froginmn can shed some light on how folks in Minneapolis and St. Paul deal with this.

I just don't see why you'd be surprised by the "sensitivity" since you've lived in both places and understand the clear contrast between them.
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Yeah, as far as the sports studio guys (which was where the conversation started) you can't really blame them too much when they are used to the Dallas Mavericks, Dallas Stars, and Dallas Cowboys. They think everything is a suburb of Dallas which it's obviously not. I could see how someone from Connecticut could easily get confused when the Dallas Cowboys play in Arlington and when college football comes to play in Cowboys stadium they set up their game day (or whatever) in downtown Ft. Worth.

Culturally, the difference between Dallas and Ft. Worth is a helluva lot smaller than it was 20-25 years ago. I think a lot of the "life is too short to live in Dallas" mentality is starting to get out-dated after Ft. Worth has changed SO MUCH. Whenever I'm in Ft. Worth now for a game or meeting it doesn't feel any different from Dallas. Same thing with Austin. Lived there too for 4 years. All used to have very distinct vibes but now feels more or less homogenous.
 
Deep Purple

Deep Purple

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"Fort Worth-Dallas"
by Bob Schieffer
(written for his band Honky Tonk Confidential)

Fort Worth's where the West Begins:
Cowboys, boots and fringed buckskins.
But we know without a doubt
Dallas is where the East peters out.

Dallas has its bidnessmen,
Plenty of fashions, latest trends.
But it's short on cattle with too much hat.
Still the D comes first, what's fair about that?

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Fort Worth riders drove the steer.
The Chisholm Trail really had no peer.
We hate to raise ol' Dallas' wrath,
But the Shawnee Trail was just a path.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Living large and thinking big,
Dallas, we don't give a fig.
The only critters you can herd in a pen
Are sleazy lawyers and insurance men.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Dallas-Fort Worth makes us irate,
Some even want to un-hyphenate.
So we say with just a hint of malice
Not Dallas-Fort Worth, it's Fort Worth-Dallas.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

TCU can get it right.
If it comes to that, yeah, we'll fight
In books and maps and conversation.
Let the word go forth throughout the nation.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Fair is fair we bear no malice.
But get the order right - say Fort Worth-Dallas.
Move that D, shift that letter.
Not Dallas-Fort Worth, it's Fort Worth-Dallas.
From now on, it's Fort Worth-Dallas.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!
 
Z

Zona Frog

New Member
Deep Purple said:
"Fort Worth-Dallas"
by Bob Schieffer
(written for his band Honky Tonk Confidential)

Fort Worth's where the West Begins:
Cowboys, boots and fringed buckskins.
But we know without a doubt
Dallas is where the East peters out.

Dallas has its bidnessmen,
Plenty of fashions, latest trends.
But it's short on cattle with too much hat.
Still the D comes first, what's fair about that?

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Fort Worth riders drove the steer.
The Chisholm Trail really had no peer.
We hate to raise ol' Dallas' wrath,
But the Shawnee Trail was just a path.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Living large and thinking big,
Dallas, we don't give a fig.
The only critters you can herd in a pen
Are sleazy lawyers and insurance men.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Dallas-Fort Worth makes us irate,
Some even want to un-hyphenate.
So we say with just a hint of malice
Not Dallas-Fort Worth, it's Fort Worth-Dallas.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

TCU can get it right.
If it comes to that, yeah, we'll fight
In books and maps and conversation.
Let the word go forth throughout the nation.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!

Fair is fair we bear no malice.
But get the order right - say Fort Worth-Dallas.
Move that D, shift that letter.
Not Dallas-Fort Worth, it's Fort Worth-Dallas.
From now on, it's Fort Worth-Dallas.

CHORUS: Dallas, Dallas, yeah we love ya.
But why's that airport DFW?
Move that D, shift that letter.
Fort Worth-Dallas is so much better!
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I have always loved this.
 
F

Froginbedford

Full Member
tcudoc said:
Dallas based Texas Wesleyan is still in the mix and made the finals of the NAIA.
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Dallas's Texas Wesleyan is the national champion. Baylor, in south Dallas, is still playing for an NCAA championship, while the west Dallas TCU Horned Frogs are hoping to bring another championship trophy back to Big D with two more NIT tournament wins. The University of Texas at Arlington in Dallas dropped its NIT match last night, while north Dallas-based University of North Texas failed to qualify for post-season tournament play.
 
ShadowFrog

ShadowFrog

Moderators
Deep,
Tell your story again about the Dutch millionaire you escorted around campus who decided Fort Worth over Dallas for his business. That was a good one.
SF
 
Purp

Purp

Active Member
ShadowFrog said:
Deep,
Tell your story again about the Dutch millionaire you escorted around campus who decided Fort Worth over Dallas for his business. That was a good one.
SF
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Does it involve gay masseurs and alternate happy endings? If so, I'll take him off ignore for a bit.
 
Brog

Brog

Full Member
FROGNUTZ: Culturally, the difference between Dallas and Ft. Worth is a helluva lot smaller than it was 20-25 years ago. I think a lot of the "life is too short to live in Dallas" mentality is starting to get out-dated after Ft. Worth has changed SO MUCH. Whenever I'm in Ft. Worth now for a game or meeting it doesn't feel any different from Dallas. Same thing with Austin. Lived there too for 4 years. All used to have very distinct vibes but now feels more or less homogenous.[/QUOTE]

Was going right along with Frognutz until the highlighted ridiculous sentence. Why he's (she's?) voluntarily choosing to live in Dallas remains a mystery. Life is still too short to live in Dallas.
 
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Deep Purple

Deep Purple

Full Member
ShadowFrog said:
Deep,
Tell your story again about the Dutch millionaire you escorted around campus who decided Fort Worth over Dallas for his business. That was a good one.
SF
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He was Finnish, and he was the head of US Operations for Nokia. And his wife completed her bachelor's degree at TCU.

He told me all kinds of stories about the high quality of life and culture in Finland. After a while I asked him, "Tell me, you office and work in Dallas, but you live in Fort Worth. That's a tough daily commute. Why do you do it?"

He looked at me as if I were crazy and said, "Higher quality of life here than in Dallas."

Purp said:
Does it involve gay masseurs and alternate happy endings? If so, I'll take him off ignore for a bit.
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You have me confused with someone else. I've never had a gay masseur and never told a story about getting a massage from one. I guess age plays tricks with the mind.
 
Deep Purple

Deep Purple

Full Member
Brog said:
FROGNUTZ: Culturally, the difference between Dallas and Ft. Worth is a helluva lot smaller than it was 20-25 years ago. I think a lot of the "life is too short to live in Dallas" mentality is starting to get out-dated after Ft. Worth has changed SO MUCH. Whenever I'm in Ft. Worth now for a game or meeting it doesn't feel any different from Dallas. Same thing with Austin. Lived there too for 4 years. All used to have very distinct vibes but now feels more or less homogenous.

Was going right along with Frognutz until the highlighted ridiculous sentence. Why he's (she's?) voluntarily choosing to live in Dallas remains a mystery. Life is still too short to live in Dallas.
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There's been a certain amount of burying the hatchet between Dallas and Fort Worth in the last 20 years -- especially as their economies become more interdependent. In the old days, the prosperity of the whole region depended mostly on Dallas, and Fort Worth was very much the junior partner.

Nowadays, Dallas depends almost as much on Fort Worth for its prosperity as it does on its own economy. A number of folks in Dallas and West Texas made a lot of money in Fort Worth from the Barnett Shale play, and they're still making money from Alliance and investment in Fort Worth real estate (a good investment when Fort Worth is growing about 30 times faster than Dallas). That has led to some degree of leveling the playing field.

Having said that, the culture of the two cities is still very different. And anyone who thinks Austin is anything like either Fort Worth or Dallas simply hasn't been paying attention.
 
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