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Discussion in 'Scott Nix Frog Fan Forum' started by TCUdirtbag, Feb 28, 2012.

  1. It's adjacent to the stadium, which makes it a premium lot. It's priced the same as the other premium lots.
  2. I agree with most of this except tuition prices. Don't believe what others tell you. TCU was cheap relative to other universities 15 years ago, not anymore. We have went from 15% under the private school average to 21% above it. I have posted about this numerous times as TCU is on pace to cost more than 100k annually before 2030 (early as 2025 with current total cost of 44k per year)

    NAICU national private university tuition average for 2012 was $28,500. TCU for 2012 fall will be 34500, 21.05% higher. TCU is a better university than it was 15 years ago, but the rate of increase is simply too much. Hopefully the bubble will burst eventually, it already has in a few other countries.
  3. And I've pointed out before the flaw in your formula. You're not comparing TCU just to peer private universities, you're also comparing us to every flyspeck liberal arts college in the country, most of which have far cheaper tuition. This is apples and oranges. These institutions are not in the same student market as TCU.

    Institutions that are in the same student market are: 1) national (enroll from nationwide), 2) broad, or comprehensive (offer a broad curriculum that includes liberal arts, fine arts, sciences, technical fields, and a wide range of professional fields), 3) doctoral-research (offer the full range of degrees from the baccalaureate to the doctorate, and require faculty to do a significant amount of research).

    If you restrict the comparison to actual peer institutions and don't dilute the numbers it with private liberals arts colleges, TCU is near the bottom of the price market.
  4. TCU is not near the bottom even in that comparison. Nor does change the fact that 100k per year isnt acceptable even 15 years from now.

    44k per year enrollment cost isnt at the bottom of any list besides ivy league schools. Even then they provide a lot more aid. TCU has lots of attractive characteristics:

    1) Amazing student to faculty ratio
    2) Great Campus
    3) Fantastic Area
    4) Good sports
    5) Good to great departments all across the university

    Low cost isn't one of them. Guess we are going to have agree to disagree on this one.
  5. The fans are being asked to shoulder a good burden. Yes we got off cheap in the past, and we are getting off cheap compared to other universities, but with the deposits, the increased prices, and then the rebranding and what that will mean for some of us who want to stay current and support the University, it seems like an awful lot all at once.

    that is all I have to say about that.
  6. Compare TCU's tuition to the average of private schools in the US News Top 200. Comparing to "all" brings in a lot of institutions that aren't comparable to TCU. It's unfair to compare TCU tuition to the "national private school average." There are a lot of crap private schools (for example: The College of St. Thomas Moore).
  7. Compare our net price and it's even worse

    2009 it was 32.4k net cost for 110k+ income and above, 23.7k for income 48-75k, and 18.3k for income under 30k.

    Duke: 38k for 110K, 14k for middle income, 8k for low income
    Rice: 31k, 8.8k, and 6k
    Tulane: 26k, 15k, 15.5k and 9.6k
    Brown: 41k, 12.8k, 5.7k
    Vandy: 31.5, 8.5, and 5.7
    SMU: 36.4, 21.1, and 15.1
  8. I see a lot of freshmen cars being towed prior to game then.
  9. Estimates from University web sites for full-time undergraduates from our local peers:
    Baylor - $44,988
    SMU - varies, about $50-51 K
    Tulsa - $43,079
    Tulane - $43,434 (doesn't state if this includes R&B)
    The problem is getting all the costs on the same-year basis, which I am too lazy to do. Didn't include Rice ($50,171 in '11-'12, a real bargain...if you can get in) since they are ranked much higher than TCU and its peers. In that stratosphere Vandy is $59,248, Stanford is $56, 272, Harvard is $56 - 60K, MIT $55,270...if you can get in. Or for a top-notch prep school try the Kent School in NW Connecticut (where Seth MacFarlane went): $50,995 for '12-'13! Oh, and a Rolls costs more than a Yugo, too.

    TCU looks competitive with their peers. Their costs have gone up a bunch the last 20 years, too. If TCU is >$100K, they they will probably be, too. The only way to cost less is stop trying to be competitive. This isn't a for-profit operation, people. The University charges what they need to meet costs. Unfortunately students expect a lot more than they did 40 years ago. As long as people expect a lot, and are willing to pay for it, costs will rise. Or go to a state school.

  11. I have parking available 450 feet from north endzone. 4 season parking spots left.
  12. Better recalibrate your calculator, because it certainly is.

    As I've pointed out before, that claim unjustifiably assumes that TCU will continue raising tuition at the same uninterrupted rates for the next 15 years. The only way that happens is if the rest of higher education costs similarly keep going up in similar fashion. In that case, TCU will keep pace, retaining its current relative position near the bottom of the price market in its institutional peer group, just as it has done for the past 15 years.

    Here's TCU's price rank in its institutional peer group based on 2011-2012 tuition and fees -- the only college costs a student has no control over. For fees, I used only those that apply to all students and eliminated special fees for certain majors or activities.

    Duke: $50,300
    Tulane: $43,434

    Northwestern: $41,983

    Wake Forest: $41,576

    Vanderbilt: $41,332

    Emory: $41,164

    Lehigh: $40,960

    Pepperdine: $40,752

    SMU: $39,430

    Notre Dame: $36,452

    Rice: $35,550

    TCU: $32,490

    Creighton: $31,894
    Baylor: $31,658

    Marquette: $30,462

    Drake: $29,556

    I don't see an Ivy League school on that list, yet TCU is still near the bottom.

    No. Some do, some don't. Beware of unqualified generalizations like" they provide a lot more aid" and "TCU's cost isnt at the bottom of any list besides ivy league schools." They'll get you in trouble every time.

    Relatively low cost within its institutional peer group is one of TCU's most attractive features.
  13. I thought this thread was about parking at football games? Typical.
  14. Deep you aren't dumb so I will assume you saw the net costs figures I posted above. Nearly every school you mentioned has a lower net cost than TCU.

    Not to mention comparably, TCU has a worse student to faculty ratio, worse academic scores and is ranked considerably below the majority of the schools mentioned. It's nice to pretend that represents TCU, but the average ranking of those schools is in the 30s. TCU is 97th.
  15. Actually, we're around the middle of the pack.

    Wake Forest: $29,885
    Northwestern: $27,919
    SMU: $27,729
    Marquette: $27,714
    Tulane: $26,153
    Baylor: $26,258
    TCU: $25,988

    Lehigh: $25,423
    Creighton: $24,947
    Emory: $24,831
    Notre Dame: $23,445
    Drake: $23,289

    Pepperdine: $22,529
    Duke: $20,845
    Vanderbilt: $18,775
    Rice: $17,823

    In any case, high net cost is an argument that financial aid is too low, not that price is too high. Schools charging less than TCU still have a higher net cost because of scanty financial aid, despite their lower pricing.

    The fact that TCU is midstream on net cost despite having more meager financial aid assets suggest that TCU's absolute cost is very low indeed.

    Rice: 6:1
    Emory: 7:1
    Northwestern: 7:1
    Duke: 8:1
    Vanderbilt: 8:1
    Lehigh: 10:1
    Creighton: 11:1
    Tulane: 11:1
    Wake Forest: 11:1
    Notre Dame: 12:1

    SMU: 12:1
    TCU: 13:1
    Drake: 13:1

    Pepperdine: 13:1

    Baylor: 14:1
    Marquette: 15:1

    Any ratio in the 10-15 to 1 range is considered very good. Lower than 10 is elite. Two-thirds of the schools on this list are in the 10-15 range and, again, TCU is hovering around the middle of that pack.

    There are 2,200 four-year colleges and universities in America. The top 100 represent the top 5 percent. Arguing about academic differences among this group is like arguing whether Newton or Mozart was a greater genius.
  16. Maybe to you. Not sure where you got the figure for TCU and the other schools. I provided a link, feel free to do so yourself. Mine shows us much lower for every single income group except 110k+

    We aren't going to agree on this. 5k to 20k enrollment, using our 25% percentile sat/act scores as a bottom, screening only private schools I found 42 matches. We were in the highest quarter net cost wise. At work and all the stats are at home. I have Tulane/ SMU/ Duke/ Brown and others up a few posts with drastically different numbers.
  17. I got the net cost figures from the links you provided. Instead of looking across a spectrum of income brackets, as you did, I simply looked at average net cost as the most representative comparison.

    I got the faculty-to-student ratios from US News.
  18. net price incorporate non aided funds i guess? Net price average is nearly identical to 110k+ cost for Tulane.

    Either way, competitive or not TCU went from very affordable to 21% above the average in 13 years. Definitely not one of the lowest as you claimed but better than one of the worst like SMU. I shudder to think what the cost will be in 15 years. For 22 years we have averaged more than a 7% increase.

    All schools are raising at such alarming rate not just TCU but that is the one I concern myself with the most.

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