Deseret News: MWC, Boise St. best be careful

[TopFrog]

[SIZE=12pt]Deseret News: MWC, Boise St. best be careful [/SIZE]

Jared Eborn

Remember that line about being careful what you wish for?

Well, Boise State and the MWC might want to think long and hard about it.

Speculation -- and really, it's been little more than that -- for the past several months (heck, it's been years!) has had Boise State getting an invitation to the Mountain West Conference based on the strength of its football team. ...

 

[Gunner]

Really get sick of writers throwing poison on the lower end of MWC teams. Has anybody looked at how really bad the bottom of Pac 10, Big 10, Big East, ACC, etc.... Has anyone looked at how really horrible Indiana and Syracuse, really are.

And just in the last 2 years, look at the success of teams like Wyoming against Tennessee and New Mexico against Arizona. It is tireless idioits that perpetrate those lies..

And watch, the MWC, because of the success of Utah, TCU, AF, BYU, teams like Wyoming and San Diego State will move up....

 

[tcuball3]

This is the same arrogant crap we heard coming into the MWC in 2005, for some reason the SLC media thinks this conference is "too tough" for schools from the WAC or CUSA to compete in and TCU has proved that is not the case.

 

[Limp Lizard]

QUOTE(Gunner @ Jun 5 2010, 07:40 AM) [snapback]568889[/snapback]
Really get sick of writers throwing poison on the lower end of MWC teams. Has anybody looked at how really bad the bottom of Pac 10, Big 10, Big East, ACC, etc.... Has anyone looked at how really horrible Indiana and Syracuse, really are.

And just in the last 2 years, look at the success of teams like Wyoming against Tennessee and New Mexico against Arizona. It is tireless idioits that perpetrate those lies..

And watch, the MWC, because of the success of Utah, TCU, AF, BYU, teams like Wyoming and San Diego State will move up....

He lost me when he put Air Force in the mix of "bad teams." And it wasn't that long ago that Colorado State had an excellent program. Obviously a WAC homer trying to save the WAC, which would probably have no ranked teams without Boise.

 

[macaroni]

Yes, Boise's road will be harder, but they will control it. Do you think it is fun for them to go undefeated and then watch the MWC's top team pass them in the rankings as the season goes on? The system only guarantees the top-ranked nonAQ a spot, so they are left helpless because of their conference's numbers.

 

[West Coast Johnny]

QUOTE(Gunner @ Jun 5 2010, 05:40 AM) [snapback]568889[/snapback]
Really get sick of writers throwing poison on the lower end of MWC teams. Has anybody looked at how really bad the bottom of Pac 10, Big 10, Big East, ACC, etc....


The criticism of the lower half of the MWC is spot on and richly deserved. These are teams, some of which offer great potential, that can't get it together. UNLV's & SDSU's administrations don't seem to even care about football. Colorado State beats CU to start the season and then goes 0 fer 11. New Mexico - 1 fer 12 and gets their buts stomped by New Mexico State. Wyoming has no competitive advantages and yet I give the cowboys credit for their accomplishments.

The relegation system would work with the MWC & WAC. The good teams should go up to the Mountain. The bad teams should go down to the WAC. The conferences can realign annually.

 

['dweller]

QUOTE(tcuball3 @ Jun 5 2010, 07:02 AM) [snapback]568894[/snapback]
This is the same arrogant crap we heard coming into the MWC in 2005, for some reason the SLC media thinks this conference is "too tough" for schools from the WAC or CUSA to compete in and TCU has proved that is not the case.


Coming from the Salt Lake area I can tell you exactly what this article is about. It is about a Utah State Aggie fan not wanting to lose the cream of their conference, which is obvious enough. Utah State needs Boise State to remain in their conference in order to remain relevant as much as the Utah Utes needed BYU for the last 30 years before this decade to remain in the conversation.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

QUOTE('dweller @ Jun 5 2010, 02:34 PM) [snapback]569042[/snapback]
Coming from the Salt Lake area I can tell you exactly what this article is about. It is about a Utah State Aggie fan not wanting to lose the cream of their conference, which is obvious enough. Utah State needs Boise State to remain in their conference in order to remain relevant as much as the Utah Utes needed BYU for the last 30 years before this decade to remain in the conversation.

How did Utah State's only fan happen to get a job in the media?

 

['dweller]

QUOTE(gohornedfrogs @ Jun 5 2010, 12:51 PM) [snapback]569046[/snapback]
How did Utah State's only fan happen to get a job in the media?


The SLC media seems to feel an obligation to remind the general population in Utah that there are actually 3 FBS programs in the state that are supposed to be relevant, and so they had to go out and find that Aggie fan and recruit him to cover "that other team" for them.

 

[micahjh]

QUOTE(West Coast Johnny @ Jun 5 2010, 01:27 PM) [snapback]569040[/snapback]
The criticism of the lower half of the MWC is spot on and richly deserved. These are teams, some of which offer great potential, that can't get it together. UNLV's & SDSU's administrations don't seem to even care about football. Colorado State beats CU to start the season and then goes 0 fer 11. New Mexico - 1 fer 12 and gets their buts stomped by New Mexico State. Wyoming has no competitive advantages and yet I give the cowboys credit for their accomplishments.

The relegation system would work with the MWC & WAC. The good teams should go up to the Mountain. The bad teams should go down to the WAC. The conferences can realign annually.



Nobody is saying that UNLV and SDSU are great. Just that they seem to be the excuse de jeur as to why the MWC doesnt deserve AQ status. How come nobody talks about how bad Syracuse and Louisville are in the Big East, or how bad Duke, Virginia, Maryland are in the ACC? Or how when you look at the Big 10 in football, you Illinois, Indiana, Michigan St, Minnesota, and Purdue, (half the conference) that are no better than WAC teams at football these days?!? In the Big XII, Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor and even a&m have floated somewhere between mediocre and awful for a decade now.

The point is that even though we have some crap football teams in the MWC, so does everybody else. Which means that having some crap teams is not good reason to continue to deny the MWC a seat at the big boys table. But that in fact is the very reason, that we keep hearing about how bad are doormats are these days. The BCS are apologists are reaching for reasons to justify the cartel.

 

[Endless Purple]

The bottom of the conference isn't great, but it isn't as bad as many media make you believe. What we need is for the 7th place team to be getting to that 6 win mark comsistently. The one thing we have that hurts our perception is that 4 teams take turns floating around the bottom. While they may not all be bottom feeders each year, they get that label because they drop there every couple years at least. We need one or two consistently at teh bottom to take the heat and then some to consistently hit that 6 win mark with the good OOC win mixed in here and there.

 

[Froginexile]

The article did get me to think about a couple of things.

1.) No way that the BCS honks are going to let the MWC have two teams.
2.) As they realign, I am certain this realignment will slow down any opportunity for the MWC to join the BCS ranks.
3.) The lower half of the MWC is pretty putrid. No reason to defend it. SDSU, UNLV, and UNM suck.

I still don't trust SLC and expect us to bring in BSU and Utah to jump ship for Pac-10.
Been screwed by conferences for the last 20 years, why expect anything different.